Thats what it seems Ill do.
How much approximately should cost such a consult and can you recommend such dictir you knnow of is good?
There are many docs out there. Dr. Meehan, Dr. Keith Nichols, and several more. I use Nichols. I donāt know how much a consult runs. Maybe 250-500 for most docs.
Go to YouTube type in tot revolution round table. All the docs there are legit. Google there names and find the guy you like. I personally chose Dr. Nichols. His story was exactly like mineā¦ down to the T. Both our levels and symptoms and life experience with low t. I was happy to of found him because he realized how bad I was suffering.
Worse than most.
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Sounds good. Iāll contact them and try to setup an appointment by skype or something. Hope they agree to consult remotely a patient from another continent. And hope not to hear āYou are within ranges, you are fineā¦ā According to you I will need to try other options before TRT, right?
Just to repeat again - diet, sleep, working out - already doing these, they do not work.
Thatās what a typical sick care doctor would say when they have no idea what normal levels are for someone your age, these statements ends all discussions. Higher testosterone is shown to be healthier, cardioprotective and you canāt argue that fact with your doctor.
Behind closed doors itās the entity paying for treatment thatās saying youāre normal and now they are off the hook paying for your life long treatment.
The saying āYou are within ranges, you are fineā is a slap in the face and is more of an insult than anything else.
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I agree, but all doctors here in my country said that, hopefully these you gave me will have different oppinion. I was most shocked when I visited a professor in andrology - except that according to him I was fine, he said total testosterone only matters and I should not pay attention to the free testosterone. WTF? Who the fuck is this guy, what does this professor know about testosterone?
@enackers Are you on TRT or other treatment, what is your experience with testosterone treatment?
P.S. Some other symptom I noticed to have - I always feel colder compared to other people, especially compared to other men. I always put warmer clothes and so on.
Thatās laughable and your doctor is embarrassing himself, itās typical these days for the patient to be more informed than the doctors. Testosterone effects the cardiovascular system which is responsible for pumping warm blood through the body.
The majority of humans on earth have no critical thinking or analytical thought, āfree testosteroneā is pretty self explanatory.
Speechlessā¦
Yes I know, but when you clash yourself with every doctor acting like that you doubt yourself even more and feel frustrated.
Anyway, I contacted Dr. Keith Nichols on Tweeter, the only contact I managed to find with him. I hope to make some connection with him and start doing the job.
Can any of you share his experience with TRT? I would be happy to hear how you felt before, after, any negative side effects experiencing?
Thanks, I wrote also there in the contact form.
Are you working personally with him, did he put you on trt?
Dr. Keith Nichols like to use creams which can be very effective, he has a lot of his patients on 200mg/20% cream applied to the scrotum once or twice daily.
Yes heās my doc now. I switched from another clinic I was using. He is a full hormone optimization specialist. When you do an initial consult he spends as many hours as needed to understand your situation and explain everything heās going to do. He also explains why.
Heās not jsut optimizing T, heās optimizing and fixing all the hormones which support a mans qualtiy of life.
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sounds awesome, will be waiting for his reply
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Iām considering something after I talked to some people.
I want to try, to test what is to have high testosterone before comiting myself to TRT ot any other hormonal treatment.
I was suggested it would be safe to take for 3-4 days one anabolic steroid - turinabol. According to the guy that suggested it for so short it will not supress own T production and I will feel the effect of high testosterone 3-4 hours after I take it the first time. Do you think that is safe? I talk about taking it 3-4 DAYS ONLY and the stopping it.
No way dude. dont do that to yourself. There really is no point. You might not even notice much effect from it. some folks see quick changes, but overall long lasting quality of life changes happen after being on T for months and up to a year. its not a quick fix.
Personally i didnāt question how i would feel when i found i had low t, it was a need not a want. i wanted to start the day i found out and i was willing to be patient until the TRT worked. it took me 1 minute to decide on taking this medication for life. thats how bad off i was. i was ready to feel better regardless the cost, time or efforts needed.
I understand your point. But Iām not so much bad. I mean I feel really shitty, but I really want to test it first.
They suggested to me If I take for a few days testosterone propynate my onw production will not be surpressed in any way and I will feel the effect immediately. Is this correct?
I would really like to test it first.
Your own testosterone production isnāt cutting it anymore, I have never second guessed my decision to shut down my HPTA permanently because it doesnāt make sense to preserve those disease state levels.
Why would you want to preserve such low levels? Do you plan on stopping TRT at some point in the future because you want to go back and experience low testosterone again?
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Because I have not yet taken the decision and have not commited. First I want to try
Most of us had no choice. We were dead in the water and sinking fast.
Your mindset is wrong. Donāt start trt if itās not a dier need. If your not sinking donāt fuck with it.
You want to try things . Donāt you get this is a trt section for folks who need to start: not for folks who are thinking about it. Folks who need trt donāt think. There told āhereās why you fee like featā and then the man says āwhere do I signup and when can I feel betterā.
So what should I do then? I did not saw a section for people āthinking about TRTā. My hormones and quality of life are also very shittty, but not as shitty as yours were. Still I cannot continue like that, to live in this mediocre way since I know what I can do and what I wanna do if I have my brain and body back.
I will find a solution or die trying. Literally. The people who know me know what I mean.
Then comes my confusion - whether I should do TRT, try with clomid or some other staff, since Iāve done most of the ānaturalā things to increase test.
What I wanna do is to find the cause. It looks like I have secondary hypogonadism and I applied now for NMR of my pituitary. Best would be to find the cause and correct it.
In the mean time I will enrich my knowledge about TRT and its risks and tricky moments. This will help me to decide what to do.