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Considering First Cycle

Hi i have been considering using Anabolic Steroids for some time now. I’m 23 years old, 90kg and with about 12% bodyfat. I have been asking advice at my local gym and one of the guys suggested this 10 week cycle below.

Orals
30mg dbol a day for 5 weeks.

Injectable 10 weeks

Deca 250 1ml Monday
Sust 250 1ml Thursday

(Possibly will use Arimidex during if i can get my hands on it)

PCT will be done with Nolva.

What do you guys think? any help will be much appreciated, I’m only considering and still thinking about it for the time been.

for real? or are you trolling? im being serious not trying to flame just want to know if your serious then you need to do some research first as the “cycle” if you can call it that you have outlined will do you no good at all. were here to help but you need to put some work into actually trying to figure out a best cycle for you too, instead of wanting us to hand you one.

To add to what Game said, read through this
https://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1879427

And then come back and explain why you have set up your cycle the way you have vs what you have read. If your answer is “Well, that’s what a buddy/supplier told me to do”, then you need to come up with some better reasoning.

And don’t take this as a brush off, just as a request for more detail on your part.

I told him to come post here, as i totally dis-agreed with the advice he was receiving infront of me. He’s a good friend of mine, don’t want him doing things wrong. My recommendation to him was

week 1-10 Test e or c 500mg (2 injection per week)
week 1-5 30mg Dbol ED
Arimidex during
Nolva PCT

And if he cant get test e\c then his sust needs to be Inj EOD.

Peace Oscar

Then i think you’re obligated to advise him oscar lol OP take his advice. Ditch whatever info you were told and follow oscars plan for you. you will be much better off

The cycle outlined by Oscarhs is exactly what I was thinking. The deca is not needed for the first cycle and should be ran for a longer duration, not to mention clearance timing. The increased dosage of test from 250 - 500mg/week will make a huge difference.

[quote]2thepain wrote:
The cycle outlined by Oscarhs is exactly what I was thinking. The deca is not needed for the first cycle and should be ran for a longer duration, not to mention clearance timing. The increased dosage of test from 250 - 500mg/week will make a huge difference.[/quote]

Agreed on the test increase, though I can’t see a problem with leaving the deca in there. Though as you said it’s not as necessary as boosting the test to at least 500mg/week.

[quote]oscarhs wrote:
I told him to come post here, as i totally dis-agreed with the advice he was receiving infront of me. He’s a good friend of mine, don’t want him doing things wrong. My recommendation to him was

week 1-10 Test e or c 500mg (2 injection per week)
week 1-5 30mg Dbol ED
Arimidex during
Nolva PCT

And if he cant get test e\c then his sust needs to be Inj EOD.

Peace Oscar[/quote]

Yes, oscar’s buddy. He is right and this is a good cycle. Yours certainly isn’t.

Could someone please write in detail why the cycle above posted by the OP is wrong? I really can’t convince people its a skill i have to work on heh.

Thanks
Oscar

[quote]Muscle_Mo wrote:
Hi i have been considering using Anabolic Steroids for some time now. I’m 23 years old, 90kg and with about 12% bodyfat. I have been asking advice at my local gym and one of the guys suggested this 10 week cycle below.

Orals
30mg dbol a day for 5 weeks.

Injectable 10 weeks

Deca 250 1ml Monday
Sust 250 1ml Thursday

[/quote]

 okay.. first off when using a test blend such as sust that had prop esters in it the compound needs to be shot at least EOD in order to keep blood levels stable and take advantage of what the compound is meant to do. Even with a longer ester such as enan or cyp you would still need to shoot E3D to keep blood levels even and to stay as side free as possible. even though the half-lives may be longer.
 Test and deca are widely understood to be ran at a 5:3 ratio. This seems to be the "sweet spot" With the test being the greater obviously. this will help minimize your feeling of shut down while still yielding great results. when Running with deca you must run it at least 10 weeks and exceed the time ran with deca with your test by at least 2 weeks.  Deca is not a wise compound for a beginner as you've never even experienced shutdown let alone 19-nor shutdown.  You dont want that. you dont want any part of that as a beginner. They dont get any more suppressive than 19-nor compounds. so in theory your cycle would look like so..

sust 250- .5mL EOD= 500
deca- .6mL x2 week=300
d-bol 50mg ED 4 weeks

Nice explanation Game
Technically .5ml EOD would be 437.5ml a week. At that dosage he’d be better off using a total of 1ml of his 250mgDeca a week.
I personally don’t have much against Deca on one’s virgin cycle.

Also the OP said 30mg of the dbol. I think for a first timer that dosage also works well enough to see and feel it.

uh oh sorry OP thanks for the catch sap i was think Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun but then youd have to shoot Mon all over again so good call. Its just a habit to put 50mg on the d-bol oops! and if you really look at with that low dose of deca you’re prob right hed be ok. i just like to advise most new guys not to because of how it will affect them and whether or not theyre expecting it. you know how it is

Everyone says start with Test and establish a baseline. That’s fine and dandy and maybe the best way. But, if someone choices to run a well thought out cycle the first time around that’s ok too. The counter point is if you start with a Deca/Test/Dbol kick cycle how do you know what does what? Fair enough.

But if you gain 20lbs and have the strength to boot does it matter? Its not like you run Deca/Test/Dbol, gain 20lbs and then say hmmm I wonder what Test only would do now. No one goes in reverse. No one uses lower dosages or less product on their third cycle compared to their first.

100% agree.

thanks guys i appreciate da insite and will keep yous up 2 date with wat i have decided 2 take