That's bullshit. What was America's Revolution about if not progress?
I've read alot into the whole Burke- Paine war. Its important to rememeber that at the point of the French Revolution, Edmund Burke was no longer the the man he was before- he was far more conservative, especially in the face of revolutions that overthrow monarchies. His philosophical beliefs about helping the lower classes took the backseat to keeping power- the last thing they wanted in England was a workers' revolution overthrowing the King (I think it was still George III at the time).
When Paine went to Paris in 1787, he was in the company of people like the Marquis de Lafayette, who shared the enlightenment principles.
Burke was, in 1789, writing Reflections on the Revolution in France where he attacked the ideals of freedom, celebrated tradition and hierarchy, and rejected equality and reason.
If that's your model for a conservative, then you better pick one who didn't "hate freedom" (as you Conservatives love to say).
The progressive had his neck on the line, and almost got hanged twice trying to start countries overthrowing their governments in favor of democracy and freedom.
The conservative bravely picked up his pen and bashed him. Sounds like the whole argument in a nutshell doesn't it?
I never said there was. But Debs is footnote to you, because you don't believe in his cause. To me, its impressive to get a million votes from behind bars, and to have the government completly unhappy about it.
Not too mention that the government had him thrown in jail because of his beliefs, and condemned a sixty five year old man to ten years in prison. But then history is written by the victors, isn't it?
O c'mon. Anyone can use the word progress for whatever they want. The Nazis, the Soviets, the Chinese in 1949, the Japanese in the 30s, they all used "progress" as a rallying point. Thats a bit different from America's progressive movement.
How does Che Guevara have anything to do with the World Wars that America fought in? I know you love to mention that all the time, but it really has no place here. Are you going to stay to the subject, or do you want to get into an argument about Guevara (again)?
Lefties all over this hemisphere are rising again against the US. That's progressive- they're trying to make their countries better. How does this have anything to do with what we're talking about? Guevara wasn't responsible for anywhere near the amount of deaths that the US was in Vietnam.
"Mass graves and misery"? There would be many in the world that would think the US is responsible for that too. Its all a matter of historical viewpoints. If you want to look at everything through a Pro-America paradigm all the time, then don't be surprised when other countries hate us.
What? I call the movements we stopped "totalitarian", "fascist", and "evil". You can't trade those for "progressive".