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Confession: I'm Not Vegetarian

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Thanks! Lots of science!
(I was wondering why I was never full after a cup of cereal.)


Nice thread title. :wink:

[quote]AlisaV wrote:
But I couldn’t diet. I was trying to lose weight (nothing enormous, 10 pounds, 6.5 of which are gone) and I couldn’t eat “clean” to save my life. I was undereating and then being an idiot and having dessert as really my only substantial “meal” of the day. Way too many carbs. And some fatigue.

Part of it is my shitty willpower, but I really think I’ve improved on that. I don’t really have food cravings. I just crave having enough to eat.[/quote]

Seasiren is a vegan figure competitor. She doesn’t post around here too much anymore, but she had a training journal, as well as one on Veganbodybuilding.com. You might want to take a look at them, even though she’s 120-ish pounds and dieting for contests, it might give you some meal ideas.

http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_women_training_performance_sorority/denise_nicoles_figure_journal
www.veganbodybuilding.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6623

And no, I’m not trying to drag you back into the land of veggies. If meat helps you reach your nutritional goals, absolutely go for it. The reasons behind any diet are always up to the individual.

Those would all be good snacking options, though I’d be sure to pre-pack the nuts into portions ahead of time, and I wouldn’t exactly call coffee or tea a “snack”.

You shouldn’t feel too badly about eating healthful foods, even if it isn’t coming out of your pocket (which you might want to remedy ASAP). Do you really think your folks would want you either wasting away or chowing down on pints of Ben & Jerry’s?

That’s rhetorical, right? (Wait, can I answer a rhetorical question with a rhetorical question?)

With planning, definitely. This article has a bunch of tips for planning, packing, and properly scheduling your week’s meals:

That should help quite a bit.

That’s entirely up to you. Shitty willpower is shitty willpower, but if you’re motivated and sincerely want to reach your goals, then you’d be on the right track.

Thank you so much. The articles are great.
I am motivated to do this right. I won’t want or need to cheat if I’m getting enough of the wholesome stuff. And I think – at least for a while – it will be much more attainable with meat & fish. The classic “plain chicken breast & broccoli” dinner is delicious and satisfying; a broccoli dinner, not so much.

Londonrunner:
goals are to lose fat while increasing lifts. (I’m still a newbie, so should be possible)

Quantitatively: from 130 lbs to mid 120’s (a guess; I’d be fine with the same weight and more muscle)

lifts: squat from 135-155 to 200
deadlift to 225 (I’ve done them at 225 with bad form; working back up from 110 with good form)
bench 135(from 105)
press 90 (from 75, seated)
10-12 chinups (from 3)

Timing: by August at the latest.
Are these reasonable goals, and what do they mean for diet?

To be honest, from your pics you actually do not look like you have a lot of fat on your body, but your goals are your goals.

In my opinion, something along the lines of starting strength to increase your lifts would be a good program. Some info on it;

Coupled with a Carb Cycling diet aimed toward fat loss, with moderate-high carb on lift days, and low carb on non lifting days, with some low intensity cardio on off days.

http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_article//the_carb_cycling_codex

http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_article//a_beginners_guide_to_carb_cycling

That should do the trick, have you thought about starting a training log in the training logs section, just to keep accountable and keep track of your progress?

LR

I do Starting Strength,have been since November, and I have a training log (in Powerful Women). Carb cycling looks good; can try that.

As for the fat loss: I’m somewhat conflicted about that, as I could also stand to gain some muscle. And no, I’m not a nutcase in danger of dieting to extremes. I don’t want to be ultra-skinny or anything. If it’s going to make me weak, groggy, and physically miserable, it’s not worth it to me. If it’s going to make me stronger and more able, then it is worth changing some of my lousy habits.

Question about carb cycling: what do you do on days with a long (6-8 mile) run? Are those “off” days or “workout” days?

I second BBB’s oats + applejuice choice.

Although, I must admit I prefer porridge oats (cooked) mixed with dried fruit. Just a taste preference though, same general idea. I usually mix a bit of whey into my oats as well, FWIW.

And as for meat, it’s just the best thing ever. I just love the idea of “winning” and what opitimises the act of winning more than killing and eating something else?

If you’ve ever killed something yourself, you’d know. But just thinking to yourself; “ha, I win” rules.

[quote]Dave_ wrote:
I second BBB’s oats + applejuice choice.

Although, I must admit I prefer porridge oats (cooked) mixed with dried fruit. Just a taste preference though, same general idea. I usually mix a bit of whey into my oats as well, FWIW.

And as for meat, it’s just the best thing ever. I just love the idea of “winning” and what opitimises the act of winning more than killing and eating something else?

If you’ve ever killed something yourself, you’d know. But just thinking to yourself; “ha, I win” rules.
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Yeah I like to do oats+frozen blueberries+whey protein in the morning for a quick breakfast. Or wheat pancakes with maple syrup and a whey protein shake mmm…sometimes whole eggs to

quick things you can do is whey protein shake + couple tbsp’s of light tasting olive oil

scrambled eggs and veggies in the evening for good p+f meal
chicken or steak + almonds are another good p+f meal

since you’re dieting lots of fiber things like dark rice (darker the better, oh pilaf is great) with lean meats is a good p+c meal

Oh and drink ya green tea …green tea + honey is the best!!

I’ve killed a mouse. Felt good about it though – my roommate was frightened, so I felt I was defending our home against the invading foe.

Never understood why people take oil by itself. Can you explain that, Carlitosway? I have fat in my diet – probably more than enough. I eat vegetables cooked with oil sometimes, sometimes dairy products with fat or egg yolks, these days also meat and fish that contains fat.

[quote]AlisaV wrote:
I’ve killed a mouse. Felt good about it though – my roommate was frightened, so I felt I was defending our home against the invading foe.
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Wow, I bet that was difficult! Was it armed?!?

For the record, meat eating doesn’t cure stupidity(sp), so if you think the vegetarian equivalent of chicken and broccoli is broccoli, and that cheerios is decent breakfast… well I don’t think there’s much hope left for you.

Oh it doesn’t cure lack of willpower either. :slight_smile:

I don’t mean to be down on vegetarians, and I’m sorry, I’m still figuring out the nutrition thing, and I am going to make a serious effort. I apologize if I came across as an idiot.

Alisa,

The Olive oil on its own is a great way to get some healthy fats in your diet, and to get the extra calories as well. Sometimes I just put it in with me protein shakes, but that’s just me.

As for the running, I’m guessing you run the 6-8 miles in 40-45 mins? That would be considered low intensity cardio and can be classed as an Off day.

LR

Concerning starting strength, have you kept track of your numbers since the beginning?

How many Lbs have you added to each of the lifts since the start?

I’m guessing you’ve read the whole book? I’ve just started reading it myself. I plan to start it soon myself.

LR

Do it for yourself. Find out what works for you, and run with it.

Thanks for the info.
As for my improvements:
squat: started 35, now 155-165
bench: started 30, now 110
press: started 25, now 75
deadlift: started 55, got to 225 but with bad form, now building back up from 135 with good form

I don’t own the book – I borrowed it from a friend, and so I probably don’t remember all the details (esp. physiology).

Also: looking back over my posts, I can see I sounded unserious, and I’m sorry. I am serious about starting fresh with diet, and I’m ashamed of having been so slack. Yes, I know “meat eating doesn’t cure stupidity.” I’m trying to cure the stupidity myself. (I didn’t know cheerios were so unacceptable!) Just because I couldn’t hack it as a vegetarian doesn’t mean that the people who can do it aren’t commendable.

Got the oats – thanks for the advice! They’re good with (100% fruit) applesauce.
This week I’m consistently getting over 100g protein for maybe the first time ever. I have high hopes for the “new” plan.

[quote]AlisaV wrote:
Never understood why people take oil by itself. Can you explain that, Carlitosway? I have fat in my diet – probably more than enough. I eat vegetables cooked with oil sometimes, sometimes dairy products with fat or egg yolks, these days also meat and fish that contains fat. [/quote]

Extra Virgin Olive Oil is plain and simple, THE SHIT. (Especially when you are trying to gain weight haha)

120 calories in just 1 tablespoon, and they are all the good fats. I for one need ungodly amounts of calories to grow, so EVOO is extremely helpful for me. I made a smoothie with 15 tbsp’s today hah.

If you don’t think you can reach your caloric goal for the day, it’s a very easy way to remedy that.

[quote]AlisaV wrote:
Got the oats – thanks for the advice! They’re good with (100% fruit) applesauce.
This week I’m consistently getting over 100g protein for maybe the first time ever. I have high hopes for the “new” plan.[/quote]

If it is actually 100% apple mush, it should be fine, but if you look at the ingredient list, you’ll find that even products that claim to be 100% sometimes aren’t. They have some loopholes they can get around, and claim 100%.

Good job on getting more protein, but 1g per lb is bare minimum, so you should be getting 130g a day. But a lot of people shoot for 1.5g per lb, so that would be around 195g a day for you, but I guess you can work your way up to that.

LR