[quote]debraD wrote:
Yeah I know you’re right and it won’t help my lifting. Hopefully it won’t be too long until I can lift weights that actually tire me! I do keep the conditioning light–just walking or light running. Anything more than that does wear me out. If my maxes were heavy enough (hard enough) I’d probably cut back on the conditioning more.
What do you do if you need to cut your weight? [/quote]
Why don’t you go heavier? Your videos look good. Don’t be scared to start smashing it.
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I want to! My brain feels otherwise however. I attempt every session and miss every session weights I can pick up with one hand Maybe tonight will be different…go mental!
I don’t need to worry about my weight since I dropped a couple of pounds, but if I go over then I have to lift a day later.
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
I will also say that I think you need to be able to hit those 3 max attempts with short rest in competition though. As I mentioned in my above post, I bombed out at nationals this year, following myself for all 3 attempts in the clean and jerk. Made all 3 cleans (though they got progressively harder), had the first 2 jerks called for pressouts and just didn’t have enough gas left for the last jerk. You don’t want that to happen.[/quote]
If you could redo that, would you change your attempts or just your cutting? Do you think you went to high on your opener?
I don’t know if my failing technique sucks or if it’s mental or what but I always have a hard time getting anything right after a miss. Especially a missed jerk, I always tire the hell out of my arms if I get it wrong pressing out or attempting to.
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
I will also say that I think you need to be able to hit those 3 max attempts with short rest in competition though. As I mentioned in my above post, I bombed out at nationals this year, following myself for all 3 attempts in the clean and jerk. Made all 3 cleans (though they got progressively harder), had the first 2 jerks called for pressouts and just didn’t have enough gas left for the last jerk. You don’t want that to happen.[/quote]
If you could redo that, would you change your attempts or just your cutting? Do you think you went to high on your opener?
I don’t know if my failing technique sucks or if it’s mental or what but I always have a hard time getting anything right after a miss. Especially a missed jerk, I always tire the hell out of my arms if I get it wrong pressing out or attempting to.
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Given the circumstances day of, I think I opened too high. Lost too much weight (didn’t help I overshot the cut by a full kilo), had an awful sleep the night before, in hindsight just didn’t feel good enough to open where I did (with the clean and jerk, anyways). Lessons learned for the future: watch my weight a little more carefully so I don’t have to lose so much, and maybe be a little more conservative with my opening attempts.
Coming back after a big miss can be tough. Sometimes it’s just one little tweak you need to make so you can complete the lift, other times you don’t really need to make any major changes or do any big thinking and just do the lift again, and you need to be able to tell which is which.
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
I do something very similar (although I prefer to think of it as “dieting down” and “managing my fluid intake”) though I would caution against overdoing it. I know I don’t need to tell you Koing (I can remember your frustrations a few years back being stagnant while trying to stay in the 85s) but figured I’d mention it anyways. With a 2 hour weighin you only have so much time to recover nutrients/fluids, and if you’re severely carb depleted and/or dehydrated when it comes time to step on that platform, you will lift shitty. I bombed out at nationals at least partly because I somehow ballooned up to 112.5 10 days out, and then weighed in at 104.0 on competition day (by the time the competition was over and I was back at the hotel and had had dinner I was back up to 108-109 haha).[/quote]
The cut was for a strongman competition I did, no OLifting. I’m well away from 94 in the morning and I can drop bf% if I need to also. I just can’t be assed and with my gimped wrist I can’t hammer the lifts properly
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
I do conditioning 'cuz I want to. simple as that.
However, Thib mentioned that he had his best months of Oly lifting when he was doing sled drags.
I think high-handler prowler pushes for 15m, really really heavy, can also benefit certain Oly lifters.[/quote]
Depending on the lifters deficiencies it may help but I’m dubious 15m of prowler pushing could benefit that many lifters. A lifter spending more time doing the lifts or resting would be better imo depending on where they were in their training. Going heavy for a lifter that has technical issues is not going to help them at all in most cases imo. They will just repeat failure over failure a billion times. They may get it? Or may not? Better to work on a bit more of a comfy weight then gradually pick it up.
But this where the coach comes in and sees the lifters situation (training and life). No point giving the lifter 5x a week when he’s working 2 jobs and barely able to sleep 5hrs a night imo. Better to cut back to 3 or 4 and see how he handles it first.
[quote]debraD wrote:
I want to! My brain feels otherwise however. I attempt every session and miss every session weights I can pick up with one hand Maybe tonight will be different…go mental!
I don’t need to worry about my weight since I dropped a couple of pounds, but if I go over then I have to lift a day later.
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I’ve never seen you miss in a video. When is the comp again? You should go balls to the wall at least 2.5-3 weeks out from the commp imo. I’d do this about 2 weeks out but say 3 for you on the safe side to see how well you recover from limit attempts. Just go to limit and see where you are.
Well thats a big incentive to make weight. Being a girl you’ll have to contend with water weight swings from your period etc that I dont’ have to worry about. I just need to do my morning poo and I’m all good.
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
I will also say that I think you need to be able to hit those 3 max attempts with short rest in competition though. As I mentioned in my above post, I bombed out at nationals this year, following myself for all 3 attempts in the clean and jerk. Made all 3 cleans (though they got progressively harder), had the first 2 jerks called for pressouts and just didn’t have enough gas left for the last jerk. You don’t want that to happen.[/quote]
If you could redo that, would you change your attempts or just your cutting? Do you think you went to high on your opener?
I don’t know if my failing technique sucks or if it’s mental or what but I always have a hard time getting anything right after a miss. Especially a missed jerk, I always tire the hell out of my arms if I get it wrong pressing out or attempting to.
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I use to fail my first Jerk all the nearer the end of my 85 career. The weight drop etc would hit me hard on the Cleans and the Jerk was not focused = fail.
I think if you cut hard it’s ALWAYS WISE to drop the weights down. Get ‘a lift in’ and then start to build on it.
And you know yourself that you find it hard to recover after a miss Jerk as well. Just go in with what you think you can do in training ‘all the time’.
[quote]Koing wrote:
Being a girl you’ll have to contend with water weight swings from your period etc that I dont’ have to worry about. I just need to do my morning poo and I’m all good.[/quote]
Since I got back to my club in my home town, I started doing some conditioning in between my lifting days or in the morning. My coach wanted me to incorporate it for active recovery, so I’ll be doing some light cardio 2-3x/week. Also, I started again to do a shitload of triples and doubles in the lifts, which also feels like conditioning
[quote]debraD wrote:
I want to! My brain feels otherwise however. I attempt every session and miss every session weights I can pick up with one hand Maybe tonight will be different…go mental!
I don’t need to worry about my weight since I dropped a couple of pounds, but if I go over then I have to lift a day later.
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I’ve never seen you miss in a video. When is the comp again? You should go balls to the wall at least 2.5-3 weeks out from the commp imo. I’d do this about 2 weeks out but say 3 for you on the safe side to see how well you recover from limit attempts. Just go to limit and see where you are.
Well thats a big incentive to make weight. Being a girl you’ll have to contend with water weight swings from your period etc that I dont’ have to worry about. I just need to do my morning poo and I’m all good.
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lolol!
It’s on the weekend. I wanted to go all out but I don’t know if it was my nerves or what but I was missing all my lifts above 90%. Before that I was cleaning my max for multiple singles easily Especially when I was lifting in kgs and not realizing how much I was lifting. I need to find a way to exploit my inability to convert.
Yesterday I weighed myself before I went to bed and I was 139 lbs but I woke up at 135.6. I have no idea where that all went, without periods and poo and all
[quote]debraD wrote:
Yesterday I weighed myself before I went to bed and I was 139 lbs but I woke up at 135.6. I have no idea where that all went, without periods and poo and all [/quote]
Assuming you weighed yourself wearing the same clothes (or at least something very similar) it’s just your metabolism continuing to go while you’re asleep. Your body’s still burning calories to keep you alive. Pretty sure I lose at least 5 pounds overnight while I’m asleep, pretty sure everybody does it, there’s just few people anal enough to weigh themselves before and after a good night’s sleep.
or start your first attempt at 85% then 90% then 95% with the aim of getting 6/6?
i don’t know.
hear what you are saying about the incentive to make weight.
with respect to the competition (and i know you are a lot more competitive than me!!!) i’d still view it as a fun kind of training experience. you will have demands on you… to lift when you are told (to try and warm-up optimally for lifting when you are told) and a different setting with different people. maybe a bit of dehydration / hunger. also a different bar (the women’s bar might well feel a bit odd). if you have a good experience of getting some lifts in then you will be ready to tear it up next time!
Loss of water is definitely one of them. I tend to lose 1-2 pounds overnight. Sometimes more, sometimes less.
I’d suggest going for 85 - 90/95 - 95/100/105. Start low and then experiment more than anything. I think the whole 90/95 - 100 - 102/105 is more for those who feel their technique is consistent enough and have confidence with it. It’s your first comp though so don’t worry too much. What’s important is to see what you need to do in order to start warm ups early enough and to see how you are feeling at competitions.
Basically its a “fight” whether your adrenaline wins over your nervousness. If it does you will most likely lift more than you can at home, if not its less. Generally though, the better the lifter, the more likely he will lift close to his max. Rarely do the best lifters make huge PRs, or vastly lower than their PR in competition.
[quote]debraD wrote:
It’s on the weekend. I wanted to go all out but I don’t know if it was my nerves or what but I was missing all my lifts above 90%. Before that I was cleaning my max for multiple singles easily Especially when I was lifting in kgs and not realizing how much I was lifting. I need to find a way to exploit my inability to convert.
Yesterday I weighed myself before I went to bed and I was 139 lbs but I woke up at 135.6. I have no idea where that all went, without periods and poo and all [/quote]
It was a magic poo.
I drop about 0.5kg over night due to sweat. People don’t realise they will drop weight over night and the morning weight is your lowest weight. I even take my glasses off to edge a bit of extra weight. I can’t actually read my weight on the scales without my glasses
hahahahahahahahahahaha… Shave your eyebrows mate. that 1 gram is precious.
couple days ago in the morning my bodyweight was 107.5. I went to swim for like half an hour later. 106.5 Granted most of it was water and after I drank a bunch I was feeling better :P. I guess that’s the same as the sauna or whatever.
I also was 106.5 this morning. That marks 15 kilos lost since october. I didn’t lose much the past 3-4 months but my body is now used to being ~108 rather than ~115+ so its going to be easier to lose more now. 10-12 kilos to go till september ~15! Got roughly 3 months for it and I think its very well possible. Last few kilos should be easy to lose with cleaning digestive tract and doing a bit of other crap the last few days before comp.