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Conditioning for an MMA Athlete

How often should I look to do conditioning throughout the week? What kind of conditioning should I look to do at the gym? Long distance jogs? Sprints? Kettle bell/battling ropes circuits?

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Thanks guys!

You first need to understand that there is a difference between training for an actual fight and training to improve your skill. One requires a lot of extra conditioning the other not as much, maybe not even any as simply training will have conditioning effects. Why spend time running or whatever when you could be working on skills?

Sorry if I am using up this thread, but I sort of have the same question. I have a routine I try to keep up with that is:

Sunday: deaflift
Mon-Wed-Fri footwork drill, shadow boxing a few rounds, about 3 rounds on the heavy bag.
Tues-thurs Rope skipping, 3 5 minute rounds, some shadow boxing, maybe 3 rounds on the double end ball.

Particularly since i am 45 years old, does it seem likely I am biting off more than I can chew if I have limited energy for deads come Sunday?

Edit: IN other words, might less be more for me?

I don’t understand why mma athletes do a whole bunch of random shit, at least publicly.

Just do basic strength training in some form to either build or retain strength. Do extra assistance work to bring up weaknesses.
Train your sport intensely and as often as your body can handle.
Do conditioning work if your sport training isn’t enough.

[quote]magick wrote:
I don’t understand why mma athletes do a whole bunch of random shit, at least publicly.
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Because mma is a very new sport and most of its participants are basically broke it means they either have to be their own S and C coach or rely upon someone who has managed to convince them he knows what he’s talking about. I mean, training with an “altitude” mask?

Every UFC at least one of the main card fighters has to pull out because of an injury picked up in training. If a pro football S and C coach was injuring players he would be fired.

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
I don’t understand why mma athletes do a whole bunch of random shit, at least publicly.
[/quote]
Because mma is a very new sport and most of its participants are basically broke it means they either have to be their own S and C coach or rely upon someone who has managed to convince them he knows what he’s talking about. I mean, training with an “altitude” mask?

Every UFC at least one of the main card fighters has to pull out because of an injury picked up in training. If a pro football S and C coach was injuring players he would be fired. [/quote]

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
I don’t understand why mma athletes do a whole bunch of random shit, at least publicly.
[/quote]
Because mma is a very new sport and most of its participants are basically broke it means they either have to be their own S and C coach or rely upon someone who has managed to convince them he knows what he’s talking about. I mean, training with an “altitude” mask?
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I’ve seen people train with that mask in my gym. I don’t get it. Unless you plan on doing something in a place where the air is thin, wtf is the point?

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
I don’t understand why mma athletes do a whole bunch of random shit, at least publicly.
[/quote]
Because mma is a very new sport and most of its participants are basically broke it means they either have to be their own S and C coach or rely upon someone who has managed to convince them he knows what he’s talking about. I mean, training with an “altitude” mask?
[/quote]

I’ve seen people train with that mask in my gym. I don’t get it. Unless you plan on doing something in a place where the air is thin, wtf is the point?[/quote]
Restricted Air training is trying to get the body to get the same body adaption as High Altitude training.

[quote]HERQ wrote:
Restricted Air training is trying to get the body to get the same body adaption as High Altitude training.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altitude_training [/quote]

My understanding is that particular adaptation takes at least a couple of days to occur in an environment where it is required.

Doing an hour or two of training with a mask presumably wouldn’t be enough of a stimulus to cause your body to undergo said adaptation…

A lot of fighters are getting expert training now which is helping to change the sport along with athletes making up the majority of the roster, which in turn is turning it away from the old Martial arts days to the new badass athlete days.

A lot of fighters are training at Defranco’s, westside, Olympic gymnasts etc.

Along with the compounds the majority these guys take, the natural athleticism a lot of them display and the expert training they now receive, both skill training and S&C I think in the next decade we will see people who would of become footballers or basketball players starting to train from a young age. Then we will see some insane high level stuff.

I kind of miss the dumb old days when I could sort of relate to the fighters but they seem like a different species today, they just seem like professional athletes which is great for the sport and great to watch but I still root for Barnett and hope to see some other heart on the sleeve fighters like fedor, Inoue, Nog, Sakuraba come along.

I think a lot of people feel the same way, that is why Leben and Diaz are favourites despite their very simple games and limited talent. People like them for the same reason that when some shitty team beats a giant in europe everyone cheers.

We can relate to the underdog. The average man who could strangle a giant was the ultimate martial artist and thats why people Like Royce meant so much to people in a way someone like Cain or GSP never will.

I think we are moving away from that sort of stuff though. Hopefully we will see more small local orgs spring up and keep the avenue of competing at the amateur and low level to keep that avenue of training and competing in MMA, even if the UFC is impossible to break into for the genetically ungifted, non enhanced guy just looking to martial arts to give him confidence and a passion.

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]HERQ wrote:
Restricted Air training is trying to get the body to get the same body adaption as High Altitude training.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altitude_training [/quote]

My understanding is that particular adaptation takes at least a couple of days to occur in an environment where it is required.

Doing an hour or two of training with a mask presumably wouldn’t be enough of a stimulus to cause your body to undergo said adaptation…[/quote]
Sorry,I don’t understand your reasoning?
You think ‘High Alt’ training is only appropriate at High altitude levels? Or they do this training as a ‘one off’ and don’t do this training often?
Remember,these athletes don’t just go to these areas and relax…They stress themselves at this environment to elicit the effect.Same with restricted air intake exercises.Diaphragm is worked harder.Metabolism is stressed to elicit adaption,red blood cells released above normal levels and athlete becomes use to performing in that zone where breathing is not compensating for output.ie Gassing out.
It gives them an output advantage at lower altitudes,And the effect goes away after approx 14 days.

Exactly what I wrote. In order for your body to make those adaptations that you described, you need to be in a high-altitude environment for a good length of time.

Using an altitude mask for an hour or two every couple of days isn’t going to be enough to stimulate you training in actual high altitude conditions.

Unless you’re wearing that thing 24/7.

All of you are wrong. The mask does not mimic high altitude training. Science tells us that. It is fraudulent marketing. There is no proof that wearing the mask does anything at all as far as benefits go.

High altitude training is not really done in the way as it’s being described: training at high altitude. Rather, athletes train at a normal altitude and then live at high altitude. So you spend your non training time at high altitude to induce the adaptions but you train at a lower altitude to take advantage of those adaptations.

i would like to buy Tito/De La Hoya Big Bear training center, imagine having that house/training facility in the middle of the woods.

Simply awesome.

uhm any good college already has something rivaling big bear

hills or stairs a track ,
some matts
a road to run on.
a pool
a crusty ass rowing machine

( a bunch of people to tape up your broken shit
unlimmited ice and tape
some fool who gathers up your laundry in the locker room cleans that shit
and puts back for tomorrow

just saying.

while its cool to rehash familiar subjects.
Ill make this simple regarding training.

if its important do it everyday.

I should stop here.

just bust your ass.
and do that shit til the wheels fall off.

it takes alot to make the wheels fall off.

worst case you get banged up in the gym.

you loose a fight - cause you trained dumb.
book another match or fight.
bust your ass more.