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Complete Crash, Low T, Testicular Atrophy


#1

I am in dire need of some advice, I ran a very heavy cycle under the supervision of my " personal trainer ". I am aware that what I was running is just plain stupid for many reasons but it is over and done with and I am at the stage where I NEED some serious help.

Im going to tell you my story as well as I can and as quickly as I can so please bare with me. Im currently almost 22 years of age, I for the first time in my life started going to the gym in November of 2013. After working out and dieting for two months I felt the best I have ever felt.

My trainer introduced me to the world of steroids and after doing very little research myself he re assured me that I could confide in him to lead me in the right direction.
I started by running,

Week 1-4 TestCyp -250mg - 2cc + 50mg/Daily Anadrol + Oral Tren ( 1cc of TestCyp in each shoulder)
Week 4-8 TestCyp -250mg - 4cc + 50mg/Daily Anadrol + Oral Tren ( 2cc of TestCyp in each shoulder)
Week 8-12 TestCyp - 250mg - 5cc + 50mg/Daily Anadrol + Oral Tren ( 2.5cc of TestCyp in each shoulder)
( Mind you 5cc is a full syringe )

Anyway I will continue my story by telling you that by the 12 week I started feeling really sick and I couldn't even make it to the gym anymore, I remember being in bed for about a week thinking I had some sort of flu. I immediately stopped taking any of the steroids considering I was nearing the end of the cycle anyway.

After that things went down hill I couldn't go to the gym and finish my exercise without feeling sick and exhausted. Eventually I just stopped going. My trainer told me he has no idea as to what could possibly be causing this, I saw my general practitioner ran blood tests and everything came back fine.

My trainer didn't recommend any PCT's, and out of my own knowledge I ran some Nolvadex. I don't think it was run at the proper time but I had no knowledge about any of this at the time. Its been 11 months since I came off and I have had nothing but problems, I have not been to the gym this whole time, I have lost any gains made during my time of training, and Ive had almost every symptom of low testosterone out there. My life has been a living hell.

In the recent months I have seen a hormone specialist, but he has only done Saliva tests to determine I have low testosterone my estrogen levels are apparently fine. He has prescribed me a topical cream and I myself ordered some HcGenerate to help kick my nuts back in action ( Im pretty sure Im suffering from Testicular Atrophy. ) Ive been taking this Testosterone topical cream for about 2-3 months now and the HcGenerate for about a week. Ive seen minor improvement but nothing close to "feeling normal" again.

Any form of knowledge would be very much appreciated, thank you all for your time,
I feel like I've been a prisoner in my body for the last year.


#2

Wow…

I’m sure some people will come out and help you on here but I would personally go to another endo, get a correct set of labs done. Do you have lab results to post by any chance? Hopefully no permanent damage was done.


#3

[quote]Bengnote wrote:
I am in dire need of some advice, I ran a very heavy cycle under the supervision of my " personal trainer ". I am aware that what I was running is just plain stupid for many reasons but it is over and done with and I am at the stage where I NEED some serious help.

Im going to tell you my story as well as I can and as quickly as I can so please bare with me. Im currently almost 22 years of age, I for the first time in my life started going to the gym in November of 2013. After working out and dieting for two months I felt the best I have ever felt.

My trainer introduced me to the world of steroids and after doing very little research myself he re assured me that I could confide in him to lead me in the right direction.
I started by running,

Week 1-4 TestCyp -250mg - 2cc + 50mg/Daily Anadrol + Oral Tren ( 1cc of TestCyp in each shoulder)
Week 4-8 TestCyp -250mg - 4cc + 50mg/Daily Anadrol + Oral Tren ( 2cc of TestCyp in each shoulder)
Week 8-12 TestCyp - 250mg - 5cc + 50mg/Daily Anadrol + Oral Tren ( 2.5cc of TestCyp in each shoulder)
( Mind you 5cc is a full syringe )

Anyway I will continue my story by telling you that by the 12 week I started feeling really sick and I couldn’t even make it to the gym anymore, I remember being in bed for about a week thinking I had some sort of flu. I immediately stopped taking any of the steroids considering I was nearing the end of the cycle anyway.

After that things went down hill I couldn’t go to the gym and finish my exercise without feeling sick and exhausted. Eventually I just stopped going. My trainer told me he has no idea as to what could possibly be causing this, I saw my general practitioner ran blood tests and everything came back fine.

My trainer didn’t recommend any PCT’s, and out of my own knowledge I ran some Nolvadex. I don’t think it was run at the proper time but I had no knowledge about any of this at the time. Its been 11 months since I came off and I have had nothing but problems, I have not been to the gym this whole time, I have lost any gains made during my time of training, and Ive had almost every symptom of low testosterone out there. My life has been a living hell.

In the recent months I have seen a hormone specialist, but he has only done Saliva tests to determine I have low testosterone my estrogen levels are apparently fine. He has prescribed me a topical cream and I myself ordered some HcGenerate to help kick my nuts back in action ( Im pretty sure Im suffering from Testicular Atrophy. ) Ive been taking this Testosterone topical cream for about 2-3 months now and the HcGenerate for about a week. Ive seen minor improvement but nothing close to “feeling normal” again.

Any form of knowledge would be very much appreciated, thank you all for your time,
I feel like I’ve been a prisoner in my body for the last year.
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Do you have the blood work you initially got? You have signs of high estrogen, and since you didn’t run an AI I am going to assume thats what it was.

You realize by using the topical cream you are further shutting down your natural test production, right?

HcGenerate is absolute fucking bullshit. DO NOT use anything produced by that company or affiliates, they are pure fucking scumbags who lurk on new users. I cannot really express my hatred enough for those motherfuckers via message boards.

Your “trainer” is a fucking idiot. Anadrol AND oral tren? What the fuck. Did he sell all of this to you?

What state do you line in? You need to get your own bloodwork done before anything so you can post it on here. Google privatemdlabs, its cheap and you dont need insurance, select the female hormone panel (yes I know but you then select your sex as male), find a labcorp near you, get blood drawn and they will email you the results in a few days. Post them either here or start a new thread, and we can go from there.

You will need:
HCG (the real stuff, FUCK HcGenerate)
Insulin syringe
BAC water
Nolvadex
AI to control estrogen

Not sure if this is allowed (sorry if it isn’t mods) but what is your email? Make a throwaway so I can email you (legal) sources. Personal messages do not work on this site.

I’ve been in your spot dude, and it sucks. You’re young and you should be able to recover just fine, but you need to take the right things at the right time to ensure you recover properly.


#4

Like black label said, you need more blood work. Not saliva test. If your doc won’t get blood work go to a new doc, you are a paying customer don’t get caught up with his bullshit, you want blood work demand blood work, he’s working FOR you.

Test cream could be making things worse.

Privatemdlabs is cheap and allows you to do it on your own.

T
E2
LH
FSH
prolactin

This is a good start to see where you are at.

DITCH THE HCGENERATE!


#5

Great! Thank you for your help.


#6

Thanks, I really appreciate the help. What is so bad about HcGenerate anyways? If anything it is boosting my natural test levels, would that not be beneficial?


#7

[quote]Bengnote wrote:
Thanks, I really appreciate the help. What is so bad about HcGenerate anyways? If anything it is boosting my natural test levels, would that not be beneficial?[/quote]

Your situation requires drugs to combat the side affects of other drugs that you’ve taken.

HcGenerate is not a drug.

Hcgenerate is just like any “testosterone booster” you’d find at walmart or GNC, and just like those products it does nothing to improve your testosterone levels, especially in your case.

The thing that pisses me off about Dylan Gemelli and his products is that he claims HcGenerate will infact produce the same results as the actual drug HCG, and that is simply just not true. The guys is sponsored up his asshole, and has people taking 10 different things during their PCT’s when you infact only need what I listed above. He is taking advantage of people, and “sponsors” quite a few members on his forum to back him, making people think the things he preaches are true.


#8

Ok from what I have gathered I have been recommended to take HCG alongside a AI like Arimidex over a three week period. The dosage would be a 1000iu a week, and a daily dose of AI. Any thoughts on this?


#9

[quote]Bengnote wrote:
Ok from what I have gathered I have been recommended to take HCG alongside a AI like Arimidex over a three week period. The dosage would be a 1000iu a week, and a daily dose of AI. Any thoughts on this?[/quote]

YOU NEED BLOODOWORK. I cannot stress this enough. Really, I cant. GET BLOODWORK.

I might be taking a shot in the dark here, but you might not even need the HCG. I would imagine your HPTA started to reboot on it’s own in the 11 months you were off. However I do not know how the T-Cream affected you, so that might have complicated things, it might not have.

Also you mention nothing of Nolva or Clomid (serm). You know you’re going to need those too, right?


#10

You’ll notice a large population here is on TRT for hypogonadism. I guess you’ll get some sort of jersey to wear now?


#11

Please listen to black label . As he is dead on in his first post. To add to it, order the female panel and ADD sensitive estrogen as the one included is NOT sensitive and means nothing. If test only was used it will work, however, if your progesterone is out of balance even in range E2 assays can be problematic for men. Anadrol (oxymethalone) is no joke on the liver.
GET BLOODWORK!
Once complete, post and a few will guide you here…
You will need :
HCG
bacto water
Syringes
Clomid
Tamoxifen ( not required)
Airimedix
It’s a month long protocol…
Best of luck


#12

Please listen to black label . As he is dead on in his first post. To add to it, order the female panel and ADD sensitive estrogen as the one included is NOT sensitive and means nothing. If test only was used it will work, however, if your progesterone is out of balance even in range E2 assays can be problematic for men. Anadrol (oxymethalone) is no joke on the liver.
GET BLOODWORK!
Once complete, post and a few will guide you here…
You will need :
HCG
bacto water
Syringes
Clomid
Tamoxifen ( not required)
Airimedix
It’s a month long protocol…
Best of luck


#13

[quote]ztanzanite wrote:
Please listen to black label . As he is dead on in his first post. To add to it, order the female panel and ADD sensitive estrogen as the one included is NOT sensitive and means nothing. If test only was used it will work, however, if your progesterone is out of balance even in range E2 assays can be problematic for men. Anadrol (oxymethalone) is no joke on the liver.
GET BLOODWORK!
Once complete, post and a few will guide you here…
You will need :
HCG
bacto water
Syringes
Clomid
Tamoxifen ( not required)
Airimedix
It’s a month long protocol…
Best of luck[/quote]

It has to be longer than a month, especially if he needs the HCG. The HCG and serm cannot be run together. Typically one would run HCG and then start the serm immediately after. So his his retart would look like this:

Week 1-3:
HCG
aromasin

Week: 4-10 (or longer if need be)
Clomid
aromasin


#14

[quote]BlackLabel wrote:

[quote]ztanzanite wrote:
Please listen to black label . As he is dead on in his first post. To add to it, order the female panel and ADD sensitive estrogen as the one included is NOT sensitive and means nothing. If test only was used it will work, however, if your progesterone is out of balance even in range E2 assays can be problematic for men. Anadrol (oxymethalone) is no joke on the liver.
GET BLOODWORK!
Once complete, post and a few will guide you here…
You will need :
HCG
bacto water
Syringes
Clomid
Tamoxifen ( not required)
Airimedix
It’s a month long protocol…
Best of luck[/quote]

It has to be longer than a month, especially if he needs the HCG. The HCG and serm cannot be run together. Typically one would run HCG and then start the serm immediately after. So his his retart would look like this:

Week 1-3:
HCG - 250iu EOD
aromasin - 12.5mg E3D

Week: 4-10 (or longer if need be)
Nolva 20mg ED
aromasin E3D

He could possibly drop the AI a week or so after starting the nolva

But again… this is all depends on his bloodwork.

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