this may be a very good read for you guys…
Im currently on TRT, so was looking for a possible exit strategy and came across this… The guy claims to have had no down time while coming off.
Im not sure if Im allowed to post links to other sites in here so will just post the relevant threads…
Otherwise do a google on cashout’s exit strategy…
Quotes
"TRT is for life, but what if you wanted to try to get your own test levels back up after it was lowered by AAS or TRT.
Cashout did a great thread on Ology, but it is hard to find after being moved and is valuable, so I am posting the link and an excerpt here.
"As I have recently past my 2 year anniversary of HRT, I have spent some time reflecting on what I have accomplished with this program.
After extensive research, I turned to HRT a possible solution to my declining test levels in 2009. At the time Istarted HRT, my test level was 579 ng/dl. Not low by most standards but about 30% off my normal levels of 900+ ng/dl that I had maintain for some 15 years.
The symptoms of my declining test were as follows…
- Frequent overtraining. I had reached a point for the first time in my bodybuilding lifestyle where about every 3 months, I would find myself overtrained. In 20 years daily committed train, this had never happened before.
- Persistent and chronic minor illness. I had begun a steady process of developing repetitive colds and flu-like illnesses that were a function of #1 above.
- Loss of muscle mass. Because of #1 & especially #2 above, I had drop about nearly 10 pounds of quality muscle.
- Lack of metal focus. Again, I had never experienced this in my adult life in any capacity. Focus and will are the only things that I have ever possessed in abundance.
In my 2 years on HRT, I can say that I have remedied all of the above symptoms. So, I would declare my HRT a smashing success.
However, there is still one facet of my HRT that I have yet to assess my EXIT STRATEGY.
Like everything business related Ive owned and been involved in, I always have an exit strategy in the event that it is ever needed.
So, at this juncture, I am considering testing my HRT Exit Strategy to see if will indeed produce the results that I expect.
I am considering this not as a means to quit HRT but to reassure myself that I have covered all my bases and can proceed forward on HRT for the indefinite future knowing that if there is ever an issue down the road, I have already operationalize and tested my exit strategy successfully.
I started constructing my exit strategy based on some of my own previous research and personal experiences from my days using AAS to supplement by competitive bodybuilding. Also, Ive spent a tremendous amount of time and energy in the past 4 weeks discussing my exit strategy with several very knowledgeable physicians.
So, here is the plan that we have constructed and I will follow
Week HCG clomid Nolva letro
1 M/W/F/Su 2000 1.25 M/Th
2 T/Th/Sa 2000 1.25 M/Th
3 M/W/F 2000 1.25 M/Th
3 Sat/Sun 100 40 1.25 M/Th
4 Every Day 100 40 1.25 M/Th
5 100 40 1.25 M/Th
6 100 40 1.25 M/Th
7 40 1.25 M/Th
8 40 1.25 M/Th
9 1.25 M/Th
10 1.25 M/Th
I will take my last 100 mg shot of test cyp on the Monday one week before I start my exit. During the week before exiting, I will also have my blood work done for comparative purposes.
My blood work will be done again on the Friday of the 3rd week towards the end of the HCG treatments, again when I discontinue the clomid treatments, and finally, two weeks after I complete the Nolva treatments."
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His next post quoted.
"I’ve corresponded with a lot of folks about my ‘Exit’ over the past 6 months and I wanted to reinforce one very important fact again.
Before I did my first steroid cycle at age 18 (yup, you read that correctly) my natural test levels were around 900 ng/dl.
I did a number of cycles from the time I was 18 until I quit competing at age 23.
After each cycle, which were never more than 12 weeks and never more than 900 mg a week total, I always follow an HCG, Clomid, Nolva PCT and had my test levels check via blood work. Without fail, I was always able to restore my natural test levels to +/- 900ng/dl using that formula.
From the time I was 23 until the time I started HRT in the Fall of 2009 (almost 17 years), I never cycled. I trained and dieted just like I always had but there was no reason for me to cycle since I was not competing.
In that time, my blood work consistently showed a natural test level of near 900 ng/dl.
So, that was clearly my normal natural level.
My point in stating this again is simple. It seems a lot of guys read my exit thread and think that if they follow what I did they too will get a 900 ng/dl natural test level.
Let me say this clearly. If you never had natural test levels that high previously, you are not going to achieve them but using my exit protocol. It very well may take you back to your normal natural test levels but it will not make you something that you never were.
So, if you are going to follow it as a “restart” which I know a lot of guys have done on the other site - your chances of success are pretty good that you’ll get the HPTA up and functioning normally again. I know because I’ve had several guys from the other site do it and tell me it worked for them. One was even able to get his sperm count high enough to get his wife pregnant. Something the Drs told him he was not capable of doing"
His next post quoted
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"I don’t plan on it. 900+/- is where my natural levels have always been since the time I was 16-17 years old.
Even after 5 years of cycle when I was competing, I was able to restore that natural test level.
The problem started when my levels dropped to to 579 in 06’.
In 06’ I got caught in what I call the “death spiral” of over training. I started getting colds and flu and that had never happened in my life. When I would recover, of course, I’d train even harder and it happen all over again.
So, I learned a lot about how much my body can actually handle. For the first time in my life, I had to admit that I could actually over train.
In 20 some odd years of training, I never was able to accomplish that. It is true, strange things start to happen as we age.
So, long answer to short question, I think I am smarter now and I can avoid what caused my drop in T the first go around."
Next post quoted
"'As I noted in the original thread on another board, I never experienced and physical downturns, loss of energy, or mental swings during or since the exit.
It went as smoothly as I could have hoped.
I attribute that to the extensive amount of planning and monitoring that I did with my physicians prior, during, and after the exit.
I have actually gain a couple of pounds of muscle since the exit."
Ok those are cashout’s posts in order… Im going to add what I think is a break down of his PCT
Week HCG clomid Nolva letro
1 M/W/F/Su 2000 1.25 M/Th
2 T/Th/Sa 2000 1.25 M/Th
3 M/W/F 2000 1.25 M/Th
3 Sat/Sun 100 40 1.25 M/Th
4 Every Day 100 40 1.25 M/Th
5 100 40 1.25 M/Th
6 100 40 1.25 M/Th
7 40 1.25 M/Th
8 40 1.25 M/Th
9 1.25 M/Th
10 1.25 M/Th
broken down per week:
- hcg @ 2000 iu per the days he shows m/w/f/su THEN M/TH he did letro @ 1.25
- T/Th/Sa hcg @2000iu letro @ 1.25 on M/Th
- M/W/F hcg @2000 iu letro @ 1.25 M/Th
- Sat/Sun clomid @100mlg nolva@ 40 letro@ 1.25 M/Th
- EVERY DAY clomid@100 nolva@40 letro@1.25 M/Th
- clomid@100 nolva@40 letro@1.25 M/Th
- clomid@100 nolva@40 letro@1.25 M/Th
weeks 7 and 8 are the same: nolva@40 letro@1.25
- and 10. are the same 1.25 letro m/th
