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CNN, Pulling Out Bad Idea

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/05/02/iraq.scenarios/index.html

Well no fucking shit!

[quote]pat36 wrote:
Coitus Interuptus, Never a Good Idea
[/quote]

In a rape, it matters not.

Yep. It would be an epic mistake to cut and run.

Well its good to see news outlet starting to use logic. We have the opportunity to help out so many people.

[quote]lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Coitus Interuptus, Never a Good Idea

In a rape, it matters not.[/quote]

You can say what you want about starting the war lixy, and we all know you do. But as the situation is today, running away won’t solve anything at all. A strong international precense would solve a lot of things, create stability and safety for the politicans to work their “magic”.

[quote]pat36 wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/05/02/iraq.scenarios/index.html

Well no fucking shit![/quote]

Ok, I’m officially surprised.

Remember the other day when I warned the democrats were in danger of overplaying their hand?

Here you go.

I give cnn credit.

JeffR

Just wanted to share a passage from the article.

“We are the buffer right now and when we pull out, the people who support us are going to feel the wrath, and the people who are against us … they’re going to ultimately win. And I think that’s unfortunate,” he said."

The people who support us…Now, I’ve seen the question brought up a couple of times “where’s the moderate muslims? Why don’t they fight the extremists?” They are, right now, in Iraq.

Yet, many are prepared to abandon them to the mercies of AL Qaeda and Sectarian extremists. The next time we approach a moderate element, to offer our support, it won’t mean jack. If we do betray them, the next time someone asks where the moderate muslims are, the answer will be “Abandoned by the US on the battlefield.”

We got their back. Waaaaaaay back!

[quote]lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Coitus Interuptus, Never a Good Idea

In a rape, it matters not.[/quote]

Now my post looks makes no sense because the title was changed.

Anyway, next time someone uses the “liberal media” line, he/she will look like a dick!

[quote]lixy wrote:
lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Coitus Interuptus, Never a Good Idea

In a rape, it matters not.

Now my post looks makes no sense because the title was changed.

Anyway, next time someone uses the “liberal media” line, he/she will look like a dick![/quote]

Sorry about that. For the curious, the original title was “Coitus Interuptus…”. I changed the title because it looked dumb to me coming back to it. I made it more strait forward.

As for liberal media, it very much is. But even some of the leftiest leftists have to come to their senses at some point and acknowledge the best course of action right now and not let’s figure out a way to fuck and undermine Bush.

While it may be fun to fuck Bush, it may not be in the best interest of the U.S. and Iraq with which we have a heavy commitment to. It’s not about war-mongering, it’s about not trying to fix a mistake with another mistake. We have a commitment to the element who support us and we better not abandon them or they will die. I figured that was obvious, apparently a lot of people don’t get that.

[quote]pat36 wrote:
lixy wrote:
lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Coitus Interuptus, Never a Good Idea

In a rape, it matters not.

Now my post looks makes no sense because the title was changed.

Anyway, next time someone uses the “liberal media” line, he/she will look like a dick!

Sorry about that. For the curious, the original title was “Coitus Interuptus…”. I changed the title because it looked dumb to me coming back to it. I made it more strait forward.

As for liberal media, it very much is. But even some of the leftiest leftists have to come to their senses at some point and acknowledge the best course of action right now and not let’s figure out a way to fuck and undermine Bush.

While it may be fun to fuck Bush, it may not be in the best interest of the U.S. and Iraq with which we have a heavy commitment to. It’s not about war-mongering, it’s about not trying to fix a mistake with another mistake. We have a commitment to the element who support us and we better not abandon them or they will die. I figured that was obvious, apparently a lot of people don’t get that.[/quote]

We get this argument. I like this argument, and think it’s the only reason we should still be there. The problem is, people don’t use this argument. When we here things like “Let’s kill all them islamic people to protect our nation” all the time from heavy conservative idiots (not that you, or anyone on this forum except HH is one of those) it’s hard to reconcile this argument.

We hear, lets win the war, all the time too. Another stupid argument, as this is obviously not a war that we, as a third party, can “win”, just like Vietnam before it.

But the argument that we must stay to pick up the pieces of the nation we unceremoniously smashed into bits is, in my eyes, valid.

Though I don’t understand why you want to help the Iraqi’s directly so much, and the American people directly so little :). (Small joke)

The next time we approach a moderate element, to offer our support, it won’t mean jack. If we do betray them, the next time someone asks where the moderate muslims are, the answer will be "Abandoned by the US on the battlefield.

Very true, and as a matter of fact, it already happened in Iraq. After the Gulf war, Bush I told the Shites to rise up against Saddam. The ones in the south did, but that was before we set up the no-fly zones, so they got slaughtered. Fast foreward to today…Al Sadr, hates the US, because his father was one of the Shites who rose up and was killed by Saddam. That is why Al Sadr hates us and does not trust us.

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
The next time we approach a moderate element, to offer our support, it won’t mean jack. [/quote]

Next time, try not to get rushed into war in the first place.

Your phrasing of the situation is questionable, if not dishonest. You didn’t “offer your support”. You made it so that they couldn’t possibly refuse it by unleashing chaos.

Check your facts. I believe I am correct. read the 4th paragraph.

Little did this writer know we would face Al Sadr’s son’s army as adversaries.

Either that or you have Sloth’s post and mine confused. I was agreeing with Sloth and talking about the first gulf war and it’s consequences that effect this current war.