Inner Hulk wrote:
Well I know two cops that I’ll see goose stepping down the street proud of themselves when the gun confiscations come. You tools can justify just about anything to yourselves can’t you?
Hell, I’d back making smoking illegal if it were done by pregnant chicks. In this way it also hurts their child. But if I want to shoot heroin…my body and my business. If dick cops like you weren’t justifying enforcing immoral and illegal laws then most heroin junkies would meet their end when they meet an armed citizen when they try to mug them. Instead, cops like you two probably pat yourselves on the back when you enforce unconstitutional inner city firearms laws.
In the end, I suppose the reason we don’t see eye to eye is that because as a military man I worked to enhance the sphere of liberty. You guys swear to enforce laws. Oftentimes these two ends are mutually exclusive and only the best of you can walk that line. Here’s to hoping with a little bit of self inflection and critical thinking you will figure out where that line is before you go too far over it.
Actually I spent 6 years in the Army on 2 deployments. If you want to degrade this 2 name calling we certainly can. It’s easy to isolate 1 heroin junkie to him or herself. Do you realize how many heroin junkies get pregnant? Spread HIV, Hep C and committ crimes while drugged up? Do you think that making these highly addictive drugs legal, therefore highly taxed and regulated would end the crime associated with them? People will do anything to make the money they need to get their next fix. In my county over half the burgalaries and robberies committed are drug related(money to get rid of the sickness, thats what a junkie calls it when they are kicking). Do you think making this legal is going to stop or increase these crimes?
I know as joe citizen you don’t understand because you never deal with this stuff, this owuld be like me commenting on something in your line of work through misguided info. Get off your high horse about your gun fetish. No one wants to take your gun. All I care about is making sure street drugs stay illegal. There is no comparing these things to ciggarettes or alcohol, there effects are so different and much more mind altering than any of you can imagine. I for one don’t want to deal with every 18 yr old not only drunk but high on heroin, coke, meth or pcp to boot.
First of all- You being a cop doesn’t make you an expert on drugs, at all, so stop talking as if it does.
So an incredibly small percentage of the population are hooked on addictive drugs and a small percentage of that population commits crime to pay for their habit. So we legalize it, and deal with it. Lots of people steal for different reasons- for the rush, for money for bills, for drugs, for food- are you going to outlaw all these too?
Liquor’s legal isn’t it? Despite the fact that we know it impairs an individual, despite the fact that some alcoholics are broke and drink all the time. Imagine if alcoholics had to go to the black market for their “fix”, prices would be extremely inflated and they’d probably resort to crime to be able to afford their bottle. Get it?
And meth or PCP? How many fucking people are using meth and PCP? You want to name the hardest drugs in every argument but the fact is those drugs make up an incredibly small number of drug use. What about people who use things like weed or ecstacy? Where’s your argument against people out looking for donuts and glow sticks?
“There is no comparing these things to ciggarettes or alcohol, there effects are so different and much more mind altering than any of you can imagine” - In terms of how mind altering that’s true, but in terms of health which is what your original argument was, then yes there’s definitely a comparison to be made.
Anyway, I’m sure you have a few drinks here and there, so you’re a gargantuan hypocrite. You think you have a right to do what you want with your body, right? That’s the basic premise of freedom. If a person’s actions don’t interfere with another’s free will or safety, then they should be allowed to take that action. That’s a basic liberty guaranteed to all by the constitution of the United States of America, if you don’t like that or don’t agree with an individual’s right to personal choice than maybe you should leave the country, or run for congress.
I don’t know why you can’t understand the simple fact that cartels and violent gang bangers thrive off of prohibition. You’re essentially encouraging violent gangs to exist, non-violent drug users to be incarcerated, and all the rest of the infinite amount of retardation that comes along with supporting drugs being illegal.
What is it that you do for a living? Unless you’re a drug abuse counselor I would consider myself alot more knowledeable than you. Do you have daily contact with drug users and drug dealers? Let’s forget the drug dealers and stick with users. Do you want to pretend that marijuana would be the only drug people used if it were legalized?
The vast majority of crimes committed are committed under the influence of drugs and alcohol. Do you really want people to have easier access to cocaine, heroin and meth? You may think legalizing these things will fix everything. It won’t. If it is legal alot more people will try it. Crack, meth and heroin are so addictive it only takes one time to turn a person out. We will then have people who otherwise never would have attempted something, addicted to more life ruining substances.
You ever responded to a junkie who smashed his mothers skull in with a hammer to get 10 bucks from her wallet for another bag of heroin? A crackhead who sold their baby for a few rocks? Ever seen a baby born addicted to heroin? You people to have more and easier access to this stuff?[/quote]
You’re still missing the most fundamental point of my entire argument- IT’S NOT UP TO YOU WHAT A PERSON DOES WITH THEIR OWN BODY. Ok? It’s really not, it’s not up to you, it’s not up to the government, it’s not up to “god”, it’s up to the individual.
And yes, I have been around drug users and drug dealers. I dabbled in shit in my younger years. Granted I haven’t done anything for years now, but I knew a lot of dealers and a lot of users.
And this is where I can poke a huge hole in your argument from personal experience: Even though a lot of my friends in my younger years would smoke marijuana, do the occasional ecstacy, or even snort a line every blue moon- almost none of us wanted to touch anything like PCP, crack, or heroin… Not because these drugs were illegal(duh:we were already breaking the law). We didn’t do those drugs because we didn’t want to!
So you’re telling me that millions of Americans who have no interest in drugs are suddenly going to be consumed with a strong desire to hit a crack pipe just because it’s legal??? GET REAL!
Don’t you understand? The harder drugs were easily accessible, we just didn’t WANT to do them. So your argument that hardcore drugs being legalized would cause some kind of widespread usage is ridiculous. The overwhelming majority of people don’t want to use hard drugs, not because they’re illegal, but because they’re hard drugs that can cause serious addiction and physical harm…Even most drug users don’t want to use hard drugs!
But if you criminalize and make them illegal, it sets a platform for a black market to thrive in. If you made toilet paper illegal tomorrow, there’d be a brutal violent black market over that too. Drugs ARE NOT the problem, the LAWS are.
“The vast majority of crimes committed are committed under the influence of drugs and alcohol” - Proof?