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Chuck Liddell vs Tito Ortiz 1

As a tune up for Liddell/Ortiz II, here is Liddell/Ortiz I: http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/tito%2Bchuck/video/xtrru_chuck-liddell-vs-tito-ortiz-1

MY THOUGHTS on Liddell/Ortiz II…

If I’m betting on this fight, I would bet on Liddell, but it doesn’t mean I don’t think Ortiz has a shot to win.

Tito won’t win against Chuck in a striking fight. Just not going to happen. Chuck will do what he has done the past few years.

He will square up and circle-counter punch Tito. His take down defense will stop Tito’s double and single leg take down. He won’t kick because he doesn’t want to be taken down (even though his background is in kickboxing). He will want the fight standing. Chuck, like Cro-Cop is a counter striker. Liddell will let the fight come to him maintain his striking distance and circle away from any take down threats.

With that said, Ortiz can win this fight. But he won’t do it the way he usually fights.

First off, he must change his stance. He’s has a wrestlers stance and must use a stance similar to a Vanderlei Silva type of stance. This stance protects Ortiz’s huge head best from blows from Liddell. Ortiz doesn’t want to have his head as a punching bag like he did in the 1st fight where his hands are covering his head while in a wrestling stance. As well, we know Liddell is not going for a take down, so he can stand as tall as he wants. This is a strategy that Fedor had with Cro-Cop in their fight. Which leads me to number two.

As in Fedor/Cro-Cop fight, Ortiz must circle away from his opponents greatest weapon, Liddell’s right fist. Fedor stayed away and rarely got hit from Cro-Cops left leg. Ortiz must stay away from Liddell’s right while chasing him. It might be best for Ortiz to have a southpaw/lefty stance to make this easier. But in either case, he must chase Liddell. He can’t go for a double or a single as Liddell has a world class take down defense. He must go for the body lock and use Fedor’s type of inside or outside leg sweep or some type of Judo throw for the take down. From there the standard ground and pound.

I would also like to see Ortiz use a back-fist or two and spinning back kick if Liddell circle’s away. This would be not only useful against an opponent that won’t take you down, but quite entertaining.

Fedor’s game plan against Cro-Cop is the same plan Ortiz will need to use against Liddell (or any World Class MMA striker) for him to win.

Fedor/Cro-Cop fight: http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search

When’s the fight? (Sorry, I don’t have a life and work a lot, but I watch the fights afterward on TV).

I think Liddell is going to win as well.

Did anyone know that Jenna Jameson is Tito Ortiz’ girlfriend? I didn’t know (again, I have no life and work way too much). She’s on my myspace friends and she posted photos of him and her, they look happy. He’s one lucky guy!

The fight is on Dec. 30 (tommorow).

Ortiz has been in Jenna for a few months now.

Liddel is way to much of a superior striker, but ortiz has a better all around game, as long as the fight stays standing, liddel is going to knock someone out.

[quote]DaMadMonk wrote:
The fight is on Dec. 30 (tommorow).

Ortiz has been in Jenna for a few months now.[/quote]

Haha, in Jenna. He’s one lucky guy to have her.

Hey thanks for the FYI. As usual, I’m scheduled to work. Bummer.

thanks for the link monk… i had never seen the first fight.

Having watched it, I can completely sympathize with Tito’s saying that he couldn’t see. He got thumbed in the eye and didn’t defend himself after that. You never know. He may have worn Chuck down and won in the later rounds.

tito has… no chance. i dont like liddell one bit. he beat couture twice, once with a thumb in the eye and the other with a “ring malfunction”. that being said, liddell’s a bad ass id never want to step in the ring with. ortiz is just old news. didnt he get his ass beat outside a bar, or is that someone else?

[quote]chinadoll wrote:
DaMadMonk wrote:
The fight is on Dec. 30 (tommorow).

Ortiz has been in Jenna for a few months now.

Haha, in Jenna. He’s one lucky guy to have her.

Hey thanks for the FYI. As usual, I’m scheduled to work. Bummer.[/quote]

I’m not too sure I understand all the hype over this… I mean she is a professional whore. Is that something to be proud of? But maybe I’m being too critical…

[quote]BJJRaver wrote:
he beat couture twice, once with a thumb in the eye and the other with a “ring malfunction”[/quote]

Finally someone said this. The only reason why Chuck has that belt is luck. Take a look at the beating he took in his first fight with Couture. The second fight Chuck gouged Randy’s eye, third fight Randy slipped on some water/sweat/spit or whatever, then got caught.

I want to see Cro Cop join the UFC and knock Chuck out, because I don’t think Tito will do it, but we’ll see…

Liddell will most likely win…as long as he can stick his thumb in Tito’s eyeball if he gets in any trouble.

Tito should make Chuck come to him and take the fight to later rounds. If he tries to knock Chuck out in the first round, he’s gonna get counter-punched into next week just like everybody else.

[quote]chinadoll wrote:

Haha, in Jenna. He’s one lucky guy to have her.

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Yea, it’s always been my dream to make it with a skank porno star.

Here’s a question for all of the Tito fans. If Randy Couture a world class wrestler could not keep Lidell on the ground what makes you think that Tito has a chance? And let’s not forget that Randy literally spanked Tito in their one and only fight.

This will be a walk in the park for Lidell, don’t let the UFC hype tell you otherwise.

[quote]DaMadMonk wrote:

Fedor’s game plan against Cro-Cop is the same plan Ortiz will need to use against Liddell (or any World Class MMA striker) for him to win.
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I pretty much agree, but I think that Fedor is much better compared to Cro Cop than Tito is compared to Chuck. It took the hands down best fighter on the planet to execute that gameplan, and even then at two or three occasions he was literally an inch from being KTFO, even going weak in the legs when he walked into a left.

Tito just hasn’t shown that ability yet, and anything short of a miracle performance will not suffice.

I’m not too sure I understand all the hype over this… I mean she is a professional whore.

My thoughts exactly. Oh yeah, this will be a good fight.

[quote]Edders wrote:
Here’s a question for all of the Tito fans. If Randy Couture a world class wrestler could not keep Lidell on the ground what makes you think that Tito has a chance? And let’s not forget that Randy literally spanked Tito in their one and only fight.

This will be a walk in the park for Lidell, don’t let the UFC hype tell you otherwise.[/quote]good point,i agree

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

I’m not too sure I understand all the hype over this… I mean she is a professional whore. Is that something to be proud of? But maybe I’m being too critical…[/quote]

Amen.

[quote]Kreal7 wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:

I’m not too sure I understand all the hype over this… I mean she is a professional whore. Is that something to be proud of? But maybe I’m being too critical…

Amen.

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Y’know there seemed to be a time when pure lust and depravity were traits more prominent in males. When these same traits begin to be more openly embraced by females things change…

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I’m not too sure I understand all the hype over this… I mean she is a professional whore.

My thoughts exactly. Oh yeah, this will be a good fight.
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I hope this is a brawl but my feelings tend to side with most others…Chuck will light him up!

[quote]Altered Beast wrote:
BJJRaver wrote:
he beat couture twice, once with a thumb in the eye and the other with a “ring malfunction”

Finally someone said this. The only reason why Chuck has that belt is luck. Take a look at the beating he took in his first fight with Couture. The second fight Chuck gouged Randy’s eye, third fight Randy slipped on some water/sweat/spit or whatever, then got caught.

I want to see Cro Cop join the UFC and knock Chuck out, because I don’t think Tito will do it, but we’ll see…

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Do you think Cro Cop is going to move down to light-heavyweight?

I’ve only been watching MMA for about a year and a half. What are the opinions of others on here in terms of Pride fighters coming to the UFC?

How will the cage effect Cro Cops kick?

How will it affect others(Jackson) as far as offensive and defensive strategies?

Won’t the UFC fighters have a little advantage since they are used to fighting in the cage?