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In light of the big Jewish/Israel ‘suckfest’ today…

Orthodox Jewish youths burn New Testaments in Or Yehuda
The Associated Press
20/05/2008

Orthodox Jews set fire to hundreds of copies of the New Testament in the latest act of violence against Christian missionaries in the Holy Land.

Or Yehuda Deputy Mayor Uzi Aharon said missionaries recently entered a
neighborhood in the predominantly religious town of 34,000 in central Israel, distributing hundreds of New Testaments and missionary material.

After receiving complaints, Aharon said, he got into a loudspeaker car last Thursday and drove through the neighborhood, urging people to turn over the material to Jewish religious students who went door to door to collect it.

“The books were dumped into a pile and set afire in a lot near a synagogue,” he said.

The newspaper Maariv reported Tuesday that hundreds of yeshiva students took part in the book-burning. But Aharon told The Associated Press that only a few students were present, and that he was not there when the books were torched.

“Not all of the New Testaments that were collected were burned, but hundreds were,” he said.

He said he regretted the burning of the books, but called it a commandment to burn materials that urge Jews to convert.

“I certainly don’t denounce the burning of the booklets, he said. I denounce those who distributed the booklets.”

Jews worship from the Old Testament, including the Five Books of Moses and the writings of the ancient prophets. Christians revere the Old Testament as well as the New Testament, which contains the ministry of Jesus.

Calev Myers, an attorney who represents Messianic Jews, or Jews who accept Jesus as their savior, demanded in an interview with Army Radio that all those involved be put on trial. He estimated there were 10,000 Messianic Jews, who are also known as Jews for Jesus, in Israel.

Police had no immediate comment.

Israeli authorities and Orthodox Jews frown on missionary activity aimed at Jews, though in most cases it is not illegal. Still, the concept of a Jew burning books is abhorrent to many in Israel because of the association with Nazis torching piles of Jewish books during the Holocaust of World War II.

Earlier this year, the teenage son of a prominent Christian missionary was seriously wounded when a package bomb delivered to the family’s West Bank home went off in his hands.

Last year, arsonists burst into a Jerusalem church used by Messianic Jews and set the building on fire, raising suspicions that Jewish extremists were behind the attack. No one claimed responsibility, but the same church was burned down 25 years ago by ultra-Orthodox Jewish extremists.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/985362.html

Israeli Rabbis to Shun Christian Event
Israeli rabbinic authorities have abruptly called on Jews to shun a major Christian tourism event, baffling and upsetting evangelical groups that traditionally have been big supporters of the Jewish state…

last week the chief rabbinate urged Jews to stay away from the event, saying some of the groups want to convert them to Christianity. Israel has laws against missionary work, and for many here, proselytizing is dangerously close to the forced conversions European Jews endured for centuries…

Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=487412&contrassID=2&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y&itemNo=487412

Rapture Ready: CUFI (Christians United for Israel)
Among the rapture ready was Republican Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay. None of this seemed to matter to Joe Lieberman, who delivered a long sermon hailing Hagee as nothing less than a modern-day Moses. Lieberman went on to describe Hagee’s flock as “even greater than the multitude Moses commanded.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/rapture-ready-the-unauth_b_57826.html

Tom DeLay: I quit for Israel
DeLay was one of Israel’s fiercest defenders in the House, at times deriding bills driven by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the main pro-Israel lobby, as insufficiently pro-Israel.
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/100806.html

Among Evangelicals, A Kinship With Jews
Some Skeptical of Growing Phenomenon
The Rev. Donald E. Wildmon, chairman of the evangelical American Family Association, warned in a Dec. 5 radio broadcast that Foxman was “in a bind” because the “strongest supporters Israel has are members of the religious right – the people he’s fighting.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/07/AR2006010701267_pf.html

Christian Zionists lobby for US attack on Iran
Hagee established CUFI as a Christian congressional lobby in support of Israel, modeled on the pro-Israel congressional lobby AIPAC (the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee)
http://www.jewsonfirst.org/06b/cufi.html

– Henry Ford

Reality clashing with propaganda…

The Wexner Analysis: Israeli Communications Priorities 2003
4) Conveying sensitivity and a sense of values is a must. Most of the best-performing sound bites mention children, families, and democratic values. Don’t just say that Israel is morally aligned with the U.S. Show it in your language…

  1. “SECURITY” sells. Security has become the key fundamental principle for all Americans. Security is the context by which you should explain Israeli need for loan guarantees and military aid, as well as why Israel can’t just give up land. The settlements are our Achilles heel, and the best response (which is still quite weak) is the need for security that this buffer creates…
    http://www.counterpunch.org/israel04292003.html

Let’s see how many replies you get…

And we keep supporting that joke of a state why? Oh yeah…AIPAC and other pro-Israel lobbying groups line our politicans pockets with silver and lies.

[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
Let’s see how many replies you get…[/quote]

I suppose its a bit like finding out you just bought a bunch of swamp land in Florida.

Following the Christian money trail
Evangelical Christians donate USD 37 million in 2006, most to Israel but some to Jews in the former Soviet Union

“Eckstein has gone so far as to say that evangelization efforts directed towards Jews is based upon ‘anti-Semitic prejudices,’ tantamount to ‘spiritual genocide,’ and that such efforts stem from either pure arrogance or a deep ignorance,” it continued.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3367150,00.html

My favorite - Lieberman, an Orthodox Jew, speaking at John Hagee’s CUFI rally…

“Joe Lieberman, who delivered a long sermon hailing Hagee as nothing less than a modern-day Moses. Lieberman went on to describe Hagee’s flock as “even greater than the multitude Moses commanded.””
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/rapture-ready-the-unauth_b_57826.html

…I wonder if anybody’s head exploded?

Yarrgh! Kil teh Joos! Teh joos make everything bad!!!

So… I’m for regime change, how about you?

And you are mad because Christians aren’t rioting in the streets?

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=487412&contrassID=2&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y&itemNo=487412

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That one was pretty hilarious.

Yes, orthodox jews are a problem in Israel. Well, it depends on how you look at it, obviously. And you want to cut all US aid to Israel? Why are you giving aid to that country, what do you think?

[quote]Maccabee wrote:
what a worthless thread[/quote]

Well, actually, Maccabee, it is worth a chuckle.

Google “Haredi” and “spit,” and you will see over 10,000 entries. These whackjobs do not confine their spitting just to Armenian priests (by a six-year old) and squirrelly proselytizers, but they spit on sleeveless women, hatless men, gays, straights, each other. They spit on strangers, friends, political opponents, anyone considered less “orthodox.” If you wear your socks outside your cuffs, you will become a target of some in-the-cuff’s loogie.

Yes, they spit on all these people, their cousins and their aunts.

It is a wonder that there is no saliva shortage between the Jordan and the RIver of Egypt.

But of those 10,00 entries in Google, most or all are in protest of the spitters, by the Israeli government, by religious leaders, by reporters, by the members of a vastly larger secular sociey, by anyone with half a brain. There is no Israeli League for the Promotion of Spitting, no Al Qaeda of the Saliva, no equivalent of a Saudi family supporting the Enzymatic Dissolution of the Apostate.

No one is being blown up here.

But Maccabee, these spitting episodes, dredged up by the sewer-dwellers, such as JTF and jlesk, offer yet another venue to cast aspersion (or is “aspiration”?) on Jews, Israel and, somehow, anyone in the US supporting the non-spitting citizens of a very small country. A country so small, you could spit across it.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
And you are mad because Christians aren’t rioting in the streets?

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Actually I thought it was time to let them in on the joke. I don’t think American Christians who unquestionably support Israel ever consider a Jewish point of view.

Councilwoman Against Israeli Dependence on Evangelical Money
(IsraelNN.com) Fenton is a member of the National Religious Party and is the Chairperson of the Council for the Advancement of Women’s Status in Jerusalem. Her letter blasts the influx and growing influence of Christian Evangelical money…

What a disgrace it is for the Jewish sovereign state in the Land of Israel, that frees itself of its basic obligation to be concerned for the welfare of its citizens, and encourages the receipt of money that is fatal from two standpoints: It is Christian Evangelical money that endangers the Jewish existence, and it is directed towards creating dependence…"

“I must announce that the Zionist regime (Israel), with a 60-year record of genocide, plunder, invasion and betrayal is about to die and will soon be erased from the geographical scene,” he said.

“Today, the time for the fall of the satanic power of the United States has come and the countdown to the annihilation of the emperor of power and wealth has started.”

I think the Jews are simply a cover:

“From the moment of my arrival here, it was evident to me that such an Anglo-American alliance as would ultimately result in the peaceful return of the American Colonies to the dominion of the Crown could be brought about only with the consent of the dominant group of the controlling clans.” (Colonel House, 1919)

"The censorship, together with our monopoly of cables and our passport control of passengers, enables us to hold all American newspapers as isolated from the non-American world as if they had been in another planet instead of in another hemisphere The realization of this by the Associated Press and the other universal news gatherers – except Hearst – was most helpful in bringing only our point of view to the papers they served.

British-born editors and reporters now create imperial sentiment in most American newspapers. As their identity and origins are not usually known, they can talk and write for us as Americans to Americans."

              ---- Col. E. M. House

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/house.htm

[quote]Maccabee wrote:
what a worthless thread[/quote]

Matches the person…

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
And you are mad because Christians aren’t rioting in the streets?

[/quote]

Yeah, let see how many suicide bombs go off because of this.

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
Maccabee wrote:
what a worthless thread

Well, actually, Maccabee, it is worth a chuckle.

Google “Haredi” and “spit,” and you will see over 10,000 entries. These whackjobs do not confine their spitting just to Armenian priests (by a six-year old) and squirrelly proselytizers, but they spit on sleeveless women, hatless men, gays, straights, each other. They spit on strangers, friends, political opponents, anyone considered less “orthodox.” If you wear your socks outside your cuffs, you will become a target of some in-the-cuff’s loogie.

Yes, they spit on all these people, their cousins and their aunts.

It is a wonder that there is no saliva shortage between the Jordan and the RIver of Egypt.

But of those 10,00 entries in Google, most or all are in protest of the spitters, by the Israeli government, by religious leaders, by reporters, by the members of a vastly larger secular sociey, by anyone with half a brain. There is no Israeli League for the Promotion of Spitting, no Al Qaeda of the Saliva, no equivalent of a Saudi family supporting the Enzymatic Dissolution of the Apostate.

No one is being blown up here.

But Maccabee, these spitting episodes, dredged up by the sewer-dwellers, such as JTF and jlesk, offer yet another venue to cast aspersion (or is “aspiration”?) on Jews, Israel and, somehow, anyone in the US supporting the non-spitting citizens of a very small country. A country so small, you could spit across it.

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Google “Israeli” and “spies” and you’ll get 556,000 results or “AIPAC” and “spies” 140,000 results --better yet, “Israel” and “9/11” 787,000 results

Actually, I understand the spitting, all things considered. The reality is, American/Christian support for Israel is based wholly on lies and propaganda – the whole “only democracy in the ME” crock. While the spitters might be a fringe element, I’m sure most American Christians would get a kick out of Israel’s Supreme Court building, complete with the “all seeing eye pyramid” and Christian Cross walkway.

In other words, don’t believe anti-Semitic conspiracy theories while we build a giant “conspiracy theory temple” with every Masonic symbol known to man, donated by who else, the Rothchild’s.

Then again, the Christian Right Republicans can’t be too bright. The same people who pointed out every Satanic pentagram on every rock album, is perfectly fine with THREE of them right on their party’s own logo…

PROTOCOL No. 15:

[quote][i]"Meantime, however, until we come into our kingdom, we shall act in the contrary way: we shall create and multiply free masonic lodges in all the countries of the world, absorb into them all who may become or who are prominent in public activity, for these lodges we shall find our principal intelligence office and means of influence.

All these lodges we shall bring under one central administration, known to us alone and to all others absolutely unknown, which will be composed of our learned elders. The lodges will have their representatives who will serve to screen the above-mentioned administration of MASONRY and from whom will issue the watchword and program.

In these lodges we shall tie together the knot which binds together all revolutionary and liberal elements. Their composition will be made up of all strata of society. The most secret political plots will be known to us and fall under our guiding hands on the very day of their conception. AMONG THE MEMBERS OF THESE LODGES WILL BE ALMOST ALL THE AGENTS OF INTERNATIONAL AND NATIONAL POLICE since their service is for us irreplaceable in the respect that the police is in a position not only to use its own particular measures with the insubordinate, but also to screen our activities and provide pretexts for discontents, ET CETERA…
http://www.fop.net/about/history/star.shtml
http://www.adl.org/learn/adl_law_enforcement/default.htm

Interesting building for a people trying to distance themselves from such a “hoax”, huh?
http://www.adl.org/ADL_Opinions/Anti_Semitism_Global/20051118-NYSun.htm