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Christian Terrorists?

I ran across this article and thought that I’d share.

http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7229

Here is one take on it:

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005955.htm

And another:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/08/indonesia-releases-al-qaeda-linked.html

And another:

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/09/well-beyond-satire.html

Thought that this might be interesting for the Politics board discussion.

[quote]ALDurr wrote:
I ran across this article and thought that I’d share.

http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7229

Here is one take on it:

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005955.htm

And another:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/08/indonesia-releases-al-qaeda-linked.html

And another:

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/09/well-beyond-satire.html

Thought that this might be interesting for the Politics board discussion.[/quote]

To be clear, the three Christians didn’t actually kill anyone, just conspired, correct?

[quote]lucasa wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
I ran across this article and thought that I’d share.

http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7229

Here is one take on it:

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005955.htm

And another:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/08/indonesia-releases-al-qaeda-linked.html

And another:

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/09/well-beyond-satire.html

Thought that this might be interesting for the Politics board discussion.

To be clear, the three Christians didn’t actually kill anyone, just conspired, correct?[/quote]

Sounds like propaganda to me. If you are a Christian and rob a bank, does that mean you robbed the bank in support of your religion or that you did it in spite of your religion? These guys may be Christians, but did they plan to kill Muslims because their religion supports the killing of all non-Christians, or because they hate Muslims for killing everyone else?

Indonesia, as a predominately Muslim State, is trying to make this about religion to basically say to the world; “See, it’s not just Muslims who want to kill in the name of their religion”. But the facts are that killing others for one’s faith is contrary to Christian doctrine, unlike Muslims in which the Curran supports it.

There are plenty of Christian terrorists – the I.R.A., for example.

The difference is that the I.R.A. doesn’t claim that they are carrying out the will of the true Catholic God by exterminating Protestants from the face of the earth in order to reform the Holy Roman Empire and convert the world by the force of the sword.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
There are plenty of Christian terrorists – the I.R.A., for example.

The difference is that the I.R.A. doesn’t claim that they are carrying out the will of the true Catholic God by exterminating Protestants from the face of the earth in order to reform the Holy Roman Empire and convert the world by the force of the sword.[/quote]

So, the reasons for why you religiously kill people make all the difference?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
There are plenty of Christian terrorists – the I.R.A., for example.

The difference is that the I.R.A. doesn’t claim that they are carrying out the will of the true Catholic God by exterminating Protestants from the face of the earth in order to reform the Holy Roman Empire and convert the world by the force of the sword.

So, the reasons for why you religiously kill people make all the difference?[/quote]

When you insert “religiously” you are presuming it is done primarily for religious reasons. Do you think the IRA are primarily religious or nationalist?

And yes, amazingly, I would think one could differentiate between a claim that one’s religion either sanctioned or officially ordered one to convert via the sword versus a simple matter of hating those of a certain different religion who live in a certain geographic area.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
There are plenty of Christian terrorists – the I.R.A., for example.

The difference is that the I.R.A. doesn’t claim that they are carrying out the will of the true Catholic God by exterminating Protestants from the face of the earth in order to reform the Holy Roman Empire and convert the world by the force of the sword.

So, the reasons for why you religiously kill people make all the difference?

When you insert “religiously” you are presuming it is done primarily for religious reasons. Do you think the IRA are primarily religious or nationalist?

And yes, amazingly, I would think one could differentiate between a claim that one’s religion either sanctioned or officially ordered one to convert via the sword versus a simple matter of hating those of a certain different religion who live in a certain geographic area.[/quote]

I have the opinion that terrorism is grounded in the same evil regardless of what you blame it on. The only difference may be how much one group believes in their cause over another.

If you kill people you are a murderer. If you kill in the name of religion you are no longer in my view part of that religion. You are on your own and considered a murderer.

Whether it be islam, christian, jew, hindu, etc.

Any religion that says join our religion or we will kill you is not religion.

If you kill people you are a murderer. If you kill in the name of religion you are no longer in my view part of that religion. You are on your own and considered a murderer.

Whether it be islam, christian, jew, hindu, etc.

Any religion that says join our religion or we will kill you is not religion.

[quote]five-twelve wrote:
If you kill people you are a murderer. If you kill in the name of religion you are no longer in my view part of that religion. You are on your own and considered a murderer.

Whether it be islam, christian, jew, hindu, etc.

Any religion that says join our religion or we will kill you is not religion. [/quote]

So islam is not a religion?

[quote]Professor X wrote:

I have the opinion that terrorism is grounded in the same evil regardless of what you blame it on. The only difference may be how much one group believes in their cause over another.[/quote]

I would agree with you on that – though I would think the reasoning behind the action could make one type far more dangerous than another, in terms of the reach of the threat.

The difference here is that the IRA, while predominantly Catholic is more of a nationalist force, rather than islamic terorists who tend to name their organizations like Hezbollah(party of God in Arabic). Islamic terrorists are about religion. The IRA we’ve dealt with those people for years and are not unreasonable. Also prominent religious figurs do not back the IRA as prominent muslims religious leaders back hezbollah or al-qaueda.

Modern Islam seems to lost its way. I no longer consider Islam a religion but a more a political agenda.

And yes I also believe that christianity in this country has also become more a political agenda than the true meaning of religion.

[quote]five-twelve wrote:
Modern Islam seems to lost its way. I no longer consider Islam a religion but a more a political agenda.

And yes I also believe that christianity in this country has also become more a political agenda than the true meaning of religion.[/quote]

I totally agree with you on both points.