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Chinese Supplements

Anyone else getting concerned about the source of their supplements? The more I look into this, the more I think that what I am taking to get ‘healthy’ might actually be doing more harm than good.

I’m curious as to where Biotest sources their raw materials from?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003732744_vitamins03.html?syndication=rss

More bad news:

http://www2.dw-world.de/southasia/East_Asia/1.223854.1.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/19/AR2007051901273.html

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/7-6-1/55983.html

http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/waiwai/archive/news/2004/11/20041117p2g00m0dm999000c.html

Yhea this is why you want a reputable supp company. Like Biotest opting for German Creapure creatine instead of the chinese etc

Phill

That is why I find one company I feel I can trust and use their products exclusively. In my case, that would be Biotest until someone shows me otherwise.

If anyone has any info about where any supplement company sources from, please post it. Thanks.

I found one company who posted this CA for their beta alanine product. Note the country of origin:

hehe…

heres our analysis for information purposes only. But its only for general information purposes, so you cant use it. Its up to you to perform quality control.

Whats the point of analysis you can’t use? Or quote/reference? I guess they dont accept responsibility for its quality.

Yeah, CA’s are basically toilet paper because they are sent with the batch of raw materials from the manufacturer. So basically they could say whatever they want.

Without third party testing, there is no way to verify that what’s on the label is in the bottle. Don’t buy that shit either, if a supplement company says they do ‘in house’ testing, because they will obviously be bias with their results.

Also, keep in mind that by law (at least here Canada) supplement companies are allowed a 20% variance in label claims. For example, if the label states 1000 mg of vitamin c, there maybe only 800 mg in the actual product.

A good site to check out is www.supplementpolice.com, Hopefully TC and the boys will check it out as well.

By the way, here is another scary report from Canada:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/toothpaste_probe

Don’t trust chinese supplements!!! Most Chinese businessmen have no business ethics at all, it’s all about money nothing more. Their craps are loaded with heavy metal, pesticides, and some unbelievable shit…

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Yikes!

Agreed. Unfortunately you’d be hard pressed to find supplement companies that don’t source their raw materials from Chinese manufacturers. They basically dominate the market.

If it doesn’t state on the label that it is made in a specific country (i.e. Biotest creatine- Creapure made in Germany) then you can’t bet your ass it was sourced from China. In all fairness though, not all Chinese manufacturers are shady, some are definitely up to North American GMP standards. The only problem is, how would you know which ones?

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Companies are notorious for their secrecy about where they obtain the raw ingredients for their supplements.

I can’t imagine that anyone will be able to find out where the ingredients are really coming from.

It’s a crap shoot.

How’s that make you feel?[/quote]

You can call or email them and simply ask. If they refuse to tell you, then spend your money elsewhere. I’ve done this many times and it has helped me find the reputable companies.

The chemical melanine, the toxin in the recent petfood scandal, is often used in China because it mimicks protein in common protein tests. In other words, adding melanine makes a product look like it contains more protein than it really does, and since it costs less than real protein, it is where an unethical company can cut costs.

For that reason, I’d be suspicious of any protein suppliment with ingredients from China.

Fortunately, whey is a byproduct of cheese production. There is enough cheese produced in the USA that there should be no reason to use whey from overseas.

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I think I’m going to be a little more vigilant about this shit from now on. I’ve been looking into this for a few months now, and I definitely don’t like what I see.

DJ

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Jason32 wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Companies are notorious for their secrecy about where they obtain the raw ingredients for their supplements.

I can’t imagine that anyone will be able to find out where the ingredients are really coming from.

It’s a crap shoot.

How’s that make you feel?

You can call or email them and simply ask. If they refuse to tell you, then spend your money elsewhere. I’ve done this many times and it has helped me find the reputable companies.

There is no way a company is going to tell you where they source the base ingredients.

But, they might tell you the country where they do not get them. I would advise anyone asking to ask in that way.

For example: Do you get any of your ingredients from China.

You have a good chance that they will give you a yes or no on that. Certainly a “no” if they don’t. If they don’t answer a simple question like that they are probably getting at least some ingredients from China.

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Hey Mick, good point! That’s exactly how I ask and some come clean and others have ignored me altogether.

[quote]Franck wrote:
Don’t trust chinese supplements!!! Most Chinese businessmen have no business ethics at all, it’s all about money nothing more. Their craps are loaded with heavy metal, pesticides, and some unbelievable shit…[/quote]

What’s interesting is that my girlfriend (Chinese, born in Hong Kong) says exactly the same thing.

Yet another reason to avoid soy.

More reports on the subject:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19230748/