This is true. But all the people who bought into that haven’t been Dem voters for quite a while. David Duke and pretty much all white nationalists have supported Republicans (if they support a party) for quite sometime. They have full throated support for the current President. The roles of the parties were essentially reversed a while back.
Democrats used to be the party of those type of people. But right now those guys are all voting R and you can find politicians who think like them almost exclusively on that side.
I think this post is an example of what both sides do: they tell you what the other side believes. Example: Bernie Sanders has said he is not for open borders yet, the right keeps saying he is all about open borders.
The GOP has also reinvented itself. They used to be about fiscal conservatism but traded that for social conservatism. They try to worship money and god at the same time but can you serve two masters?
It’s been even longer that a Republican presidential candidate was endorsed by a KKK grand wizard. But hey, keep in mind, there are fine people on both sides.
Dude. I watched the debate. I saw them all raise their hands. Maybe they aren’t “open borders “ as you define it. The entire field of candidates merely didn’t intend to force immigration law and also extend taxpayer funded healthcare to anyone here illegally.
But yes, score a point for you. Bernie Sanders is probably against open borders as long as you use the right definition.
I’m very much against this. But I would support a plan that covers all illegals after everyone else is covered. But it would be preferable if those who say they are against illegals haven’t been profiting off them for years.
Best as I can see only one side for the last decade has been truly working on health care which I believe is the most important domestic issue we have. Republicans said for years they had something ready and yet when they controlled everything they didn’t.
I think a plan that covers illegals and all Americans is a better plan than stating everyone will be will be covered at a cheaper rate with no possible plan about how that is going to happen.
The President supports universal health care if we take him at his word.
“We’re going to work with our doctors. We’ve got to do something. … We’ll work something out … Nobody knows health care better than Donald Trump.”
“In fact, plans you don’t even know about will be devised because we’re going to come up with plans—health care plans—that will be so good. And so much less expensive both for the country and for the people.“
“Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now … the government’s gonna pay for it. “
“You’re going to have such great health care, at a tiny fraction of the cost—and it’s going to be so easy.”
So I guess both sides aren’t the same. One (even if the details aren’t liked) is attempting to say how. The other isn’t saying how. Just that they know it better than anyone else. Maybe one day he will share those plans we don’t even know about.
That is possible, there were reports from doctors in Italy that people were getting severe pneumonia from an unknown virus around then. Also in mid December I had a respiratory infection and fever, it was the sickest I had been in years but I got over it in two days. Several other people I know had the same thing. Of course it could be a different virus altogether, but it would be impossible to prove anything right now.
If more people are/were sick than currently believed, then wouldn’t that mean that overall the death rate is lower? I’m not aware of large numbers dying from unknown respiratory infections in the last few months before this virus was identified.
It depends on whether they actually tested people for the flu or just assumed thy had the flu based on symptoms. Unless you are admitted to hospital it is unlikely that they will run any tests, even now with coronavirus.
Here is something to consider - if China is lying about numbers then why would Bill Gates be saying they are being open, and referencing their data?
Do you believe the news coming out of China though? It’s hard to at this point.
China is doing a lot of testing. South Korea is also doing a good job of testing. Once China got serious in January they have been quite open about their cases so yes the good news is they are seeing very few infections at this point. The US needs to get its testing system organized so we see what is going on.
If China is still lying then either they have pulled the wool over Bill’s eyes or he is in some sort of scheme with them, which really doesn’t make any sense at this point. Maybe some things that Gates is involved in are questionable in some ways, but I have yet to hear anyone claim that he is covering for China.
What does China really have to gain by continuing to lie at this point? No, they don’t have much credibility, but they would have a lot more to lose if their lies were exposed than if they revealed that numbers were much higher than currently claimed. And why would they loosen up restrictions in and around Wuhan if their story is not true? If the number of infections really was much higher than they claimed then wouldn’t it take longer to get it under control?
Neither the hospital nor urgent care would test my colleague. Why? He hadn’t travelled to China in December/January.
You haven’t? I’ll see if I can find it. There is several conspiracies running around. One of which includes Bill behind it, as he profits from his organizations providing relief.
It seems if we are pointing out propaganda, that Fox should be the first thing that is on the list.
Well yeah, if you are the party that wants things as they were in good old 1950, you are not going to have to change much are you? Progressive is by definition changing over time.
Yeah, and Lincoln was a Republican. How about we judge the parties on their current stances vs what they were doing in the 1950s.
Ahh yes. Fox News. Now that you mention Fox news, I’m totally fine with most other networks parroting the Global Times’s talking points during a pandemic gifted to us by China. I’m not sure why I was concerned with that at all right now. China is our friend and ally, we should really look to them for leadership on this issue.
It also, in the case of Democrats, means you don’t actually stand for anything except whatever keeps you in power. If it sounds good to enough people, make sure that’s what you say.
That’s exactly what I’m doing. I’ve been outspoken against the Democratic policy platform for quite some time now. I believed it was, as a whole, terrible for the country then and it is even worse for the country now. I’m not ready to walk away from the assumption of good faith yet, but I’m growing increasingly concerned when so many of the CCP’s propaganda points are being repeated by media outlets and leaders here in the west.
It Trump so bad that the CCP is a de-facto ally? The enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of thinking? Or do they not care or even ponder such things? Whatever gets the ratings, the votes, etc.
With any luck the Democrat party will pivot to a set of sensible policies Americans can get behind. They might get a lot more people on board with an idea like Scandanavian healthcare models if they were also promoting Scandanavian economic models to support that kind of system.
Right now it is a party of rotten ideas with very little to offer, at least on the national level. Time for people to join Team America. There will be plenty to agree on in the coming months.
All I am saying here is if we are pointing out propaganda in the media that I am not sure how Fox is not the first thing thought of. I am not saying the others should be trusted as a source of truth.
I find the idea of standing for things in a rigid way to be a bit silly. What if you are wrong? I used to have a lot of beliefs that I now think are incorrect. It would be stupid to stand by those things just out of principle.
Doing what people want is kind of democracy, right? I mean we have the constitution to make sure those things people want don’t go too far.
It is looking like Biden is getting the nomination. His stances are going to be more similar to the Dems of the 90s than most of the other candidates.
Is that why Biden raised his hand in that video? To take us back to the Dems of the 90s?
You are right that bad ideas need to be scrapped. Why is it that one party seems to need to do that repeatedly, right down to their core policies, over the course of decades and even centuries?
That is only one stance. It is possible he thought they were asking who was ready for a snack or nap time? I do think he is the closest in his political views to that of the 90s Dem party.
In this example, you are ignoring a possibility that the other party has bad policies and refuses to change them (and this is my opinion of the GOP on social issues). In that case, I’ll take the party who is always changing.
It isn’t about them lying. It’s about WHAT they’re lying about.
As it stands, China has the most complete set of data in the world right now with the largest sample size. They managed to contain the outbreak for now. Even if they fucked with the numbers to save face, it’s still arguably more reliable than countries who are first experiencing the outbreak now or don’t even bother with testing. Would you trust data from India? Indonesia?
Here’s an example. There are definitely lots of asymptomatic cases running around at this time but clusters haven’t emerged yet. The CCP can, or at least believes it can clamp down and isolate them more efficiently than any other country to slow the spread.