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Chicago 500th Homicide


#1

What happens when out source good jobs, help destroy two headed household,s by continuing promoting welfare culture, with young men growing up with no guidance.


#2

You call everyone racist and keep getting reelected…


#3

Or we could decriminalize drugs. That would go a long way.


#4

This stat site for Chicago will…er…blow you away


#5

Just looked at that site and the top chicago districts for homicides in google image… I would hate being there with all the ugly, violent and stupid naggers.


#6

The most telling stat I saw was the number of unknown for the race of the assailant. 409 unknown what he race was. I’m assuming that cause no one wants to be a ‘snitch’.


#7

Chicago is the perfect example how gun control doesn’t work. I believe they have the strictest gun control laws of any major City.

This should be mentioned more by the right.


#8

Video captures attacker shooting, robbing 71-year-old man watering his lawn


#9

Until recently you couldn’t even buy a gun in the city limits. The surrounding area was constantly getting blamed for “importing weapons to criminals,” so they have ratcheted down as well. Indiana law doesn’t allow people from Illinois to purchase guns.


#10

Yes, it’s illegal everywhere. No one can buy a gun legally. But…for some reason all the thugs in Chicago responsible for the killings have guns. It must be magic…either that or gun control doesn’t work.

The filthy liar in the White House will, of course, never acknowledge this fact.

Nor will his little band of blind followers…


#11

People who get hooked on dope will trade a 500$, gun for 100$ worth of dope. Same with food stamps 100 of steaks and ribs for a 50 dollar rock, while the kids eat ramen noodles and bologna.


#12

Good perspective in this article…

But but but… Guns are bad!

There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016.
Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population die from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant!

What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:
• 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – gun violence
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths

So technically, “gun violence” is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)

So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation - or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others.
For example, California had 1,169 - and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault - all are done by criminals and thinking that criminals will obey laws is ludicrous. That’s why they are criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities (exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide)

Now it gets good:
• 200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!
• 710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers!
So what is the point? If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides … Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!

So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It’s pretty simple. Taking away guns gives control to governments.

The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs.


#13

Amazing post, Norse!

Do you have any stats on “The Children”?

My guess is that more die from something like toys, pools, car accidents and ingestions than guns.

(Sure would be nice to know!)


#14

No question Mufasa you are going to have to write your hero a letter and tell him to ease off on the gun control rhetoric.

Don’t get mad just poking at you buddy…

:grinning:


#15

I don’t disagree, Zeb!

Delving into the Gun and Abortion debates takes Politicians (and even regular folks) down a bottomless Vortex to nowhere.

In my personal Life, I avoid discussing either…and I don’t get involved in threads that specifically involve the two.


#16

I have seen a breakdown of that first set of number before.
Would you mind citing the article? Thanks


#17

Given the toll it takes in lost revenues, death should be fineable or possibly even include imprisonment, depending on circumstance. These people getting shot all over the place is just getting ridiculous.


#18

Hold on wait just a minute…ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANT TO TAKE MY GUNS?

Oh wait…

LOL


#19

I know how to solve the Chicago killing spree.

It’s actually pretty easy.

Once someone has committed a violent crime keep them in jail.

End of massive number of killings in Chicago.

Okay…next topic.


#20

Obviously, my post was ridiculous but holy moley the shootings there are getting absolutely nuts.

Honestly, If I were in that area I would be carrying regardless of any law, and would probably shoot someone for sneezing wrong at this point.