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Cheney: No Iraq Ties to 9/11


#1

It's good to see that even this evil prick has admitted this. So there was absolutely no basis for our war. Damn, good thing they all went with their guts on this one.

Cheney: No link between Saddam Hussein, 9/11

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former Vice President Dick Cheney said Monday that he does not believe Saddam Hussein was involved in the planning or execution of the September 11, 2001, attacks.

He strongly defended the Bush administration's decision to invade Iraq, however, arguing that Hussein's previous support for known terrorists was a serious danger after 9/11.

Cheney, in an appearance at the National Press Club, also said he is intent on speaking out in defense of the Bush administration's national security record because "a clear understanding of policies that worked [in protecting the United States] is essential."

"I do not believe and have never seen any evidence to confirm that [Hussein] was involved in 9/11. We had that reporting for a while, [but] eventually it turned out not to be true," Cheney conceded.

But Hussein was "somebody who provided sanctuary and safe harbor and resources to terrorists. ... [It] is, without question, a fact."

Cheney restated his claim that "there was a relationship between al Qaeda and Iraq that stretched back 10 years. It's not something I made up. ... We know for a fact that Saddam Hussein was a sponsor -- a state sponsor -- of terror. It's not my judgment. That was the judgment of our [intelligence community] and State Department."

Cheney identified former CIA Director George Tenet as the "prime source of information" on the relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda.

Tenet "testified, if you go back and check the record, in the fall of [2002] before the Senate Intelligence Committee -- in open session -- that there was a relationship," Cheney said.

Hussein was captured by U.S. forces in Iraq in December 2003. In November 2006, the former Iraqi leader was convicted of crimes against humanity and sentenced to death. He was executed the following December.

Among other things Monday, Cheney also called the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detention center a "good facility ... if you are going to be engaged in a world conflict, such as we are, in terms of global war on terrorism. You know, if you don't have a place where you can hold these people, the only other option is to kill them. And we don't operate that way." Watch what Cheney has to say about the detention facility »

He reiterated his call for President Obama to declassify documents detailing the results of "enhanced interrogations" of high-value detainees.

Since Obama has already released memos detailing the interrogation methods, Cheney said, it is important to share the results of those interrogations with the public as well.

"I would not ordinarily be leading the charge to declassify classified information, otherwise they wouldn't call me Darth Vader for nothing," Cheney said.

But "once the [Obama] administration released the legal memos that gave the opinions that were used to guide the interrogation program, they'd given away the store. ... I [therefore] thought it was important to have the results that were gained from that interrogation program front and center as well."

On May 14, the CIA rejected the former vice president's request to declassify the documents. CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano, in a written statement, said the two documents are the subject of pending lawsuits and therefore cannot be declassified.

Cheney said Monday that the memos previously released also were the subject of ongoing lawsuits. He said Obama can release the additional documents with "the stroke of a pen."

On May 21, Cheney gave a full-throated defense of the Bush administration's enhanced interrogations of al Qaeda prisoners during an appearance at the conservative American Enterprise Institute.

He has said that the interrogations saved the lives of "thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands." He called the techniques the Bush administration approved "legal, essential, justified, successful and the right thing to do

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/01/cheney.speech/index.html


#2

Wait a minute.

The "proof" he cited of the link was obtained by waterboarding, so is he admitting that the information they obtained from torture was maybe not valid? So then torture doesn't work after all?


#3

Look I agree the guy is an evil scumbag, but I don't ever remember being sold on Iraq war because they helped plan 9-11. Why is this even newsworthy?

V


#4

Wow - you read that and find no justification . . . I read that and see perfect justification

We were defeating AQ (and their supporters the Taliban) in Afghanistan - the fear was that they would either escape to Iraq or Pakistan - we had assurances from Pakistan that they would prevent AQ from crossing into their land and thus went to the next likely escape zone with the additional threat of WMD and the non-compliance of Hussein to the terms of the applicable ceasefire.

plus the fact that a STATE of WAR still existed between Iraq and the US with a ceasefire dependent upon certain actions on the part of Hussein to forestall the continuation of the war which would result in his defeat . . . actions he failed to do and thus outside of any other facts (including WMD, Al-Qaida, etc) the war in Iraq was completely justified.


#5

Not exactly plan 9/11, but being linked to Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations.

From the Iraq Resolution:

Ofcourse this was part of multiple reasons.


#6

Yea, The WMD was the real go getter. I mean I can still see Colin Powell at the UN with the little prop vial of white powder. The fear mongering was amazing and I for one bought into it fully. Haha Those were the days, everything seemed so clear back then. I felt like I was a crusader on a mission to crush evil! LOL what a doucher I must have been. Luckily for me, the awakening happened a little before last year. The transition was so fast and complete it was literally like wking up from a deep sleep. That world doesn't even exist anymore, I mean it literally does not exist. Now I see a world full of people, some people have power, and some people don't. There are those who had a lot of power who had it erode over time, and there are those that are just getting thier first tastes of power. Many of the people who we are "afraid of" people like Saddam, had thier power being drained every single passing day. Eroding due to modern times while they sat in thier palaces. They had no axe to grind, they postured to remain at the head of thier small part of the world, but they knew they could never be a threat to any of the real powers in the world.

V


#7

Exactly. Saddam was paying off suicide bombers in Isreal with 50k for their families...remember that? Also, couple that with blatant UN saction violations over their nuke program and biological weaponry used against it's own people... The French and Russians were paid off by Sadamm....and THAT was the sell and reason. Never was it 9-11.


#8

http://www.utne.com/2003-08-01/Wolfowitz-Admits-Iraq-War-Planned-Two-Days-After-9-11.aspx

"Go massive...Sweep it all up. Things related and not"


#9

Surely you can't be serious! You guys have a bad case of revisionist memory. The cause for our war in Iraq was clearly based on yellowcake uranium, "nuclear" aluminum tubes, and supposed ties to AQ. All of which were utter BS.

Preventing another 9-11 was what the war on terror was all about. All of these other reasons don't matter, no matter how egregious. Saddam could have eaten babies for dinner, but our deployment was and will always be because of false AQ ties and fake WMDs.


#10

Like I said, it was over their Nuke program. Geez. Sadamm was funding terrorism as well. I never argued it was AQ, beacause that was NOT the reason.

We have been through this a thousand times.


#11

You joined the military after 9-11 I take it. You should be commended for your selfless service. Thank you.


#12

The connection to 9-11 was a major talking point in the leadup to the war. Evidently you have a short memory.


#13

Just because "we've been through it" doesn't change the fact that those of us who said this were ABSOLUTELY right.

So for the WMD's that they never had and the connections to terrorism that.... well, apparently were absent too.

The greatest con job since the Gulf of Tonkin. What garbage, what pointless of loss of life in the name of deceit.


#14

False.

Good to see you haven't changed.

Find me a single quote of George Bush saying that saddam was in on 9/11.

Oh, good luck.


#15

Utter bs?

If you care about facts, please google al zarqawi.

Do your own research. Find out where he was wounded. Find out where he fled. Find out who was in charge of the hospitals that he was treated in. For the kicker, find out what neighbor tried to have him extradited. Then see who refused the extradition.

Again, if you care about facts.

You might open a whole new world.

JeffR


#16

The only justification needed was saddam breaking the cease fire Americans died achieving.

The rest was icing.

Oh, unless you are a democrat out of power. In which case, common sense and history is secondary to your pursuit of power.


#17

You again? Really?

How's your "powerlifting" going you slackjawed faggot?


#18

Amen. GOP's got short memories. I would too if I was that embarrassed about the last decade.


#19

The point is that Iraq did not have a nuke program. Not in any way, shape, or form. Throwing Hans Blix and the IAEA out on their ass in order to posture for the international crowd doesn't constitute a nuclear program.

I fully admit that we should have removed Saddam from power, it just didn't have to be right then. I bristle at being lied to by the government because they thought the truth was a harder sell than playing on fears. As well it should have been a harder sell, because we were already entangled in something unresolved in Afghanistan. The way I see it is that he was a destabilizing nut but Iraq should have been peripheral to our goals in Afghanistan. The early years of the Bush presidency were very cowboyish and I think that the administration got tied up in their own excitement. Their own "shock and awe" if you will.

Personally, I could have been on board with removing Saddam for the actual reasons he needed to be removed, but once lied to, I fully expected to be lied to again and again.


#20

That's because you live in something that rational folks call a dream world. But I'm not here to judge.

So Al Queda was just going to run through Iran? You do know that Iraq and Afghanistan don't border each other right?

Not to mention that this was never said as a concern, and the "threat" of WMD's was proved completely false. So that equals some pretty fucked up "justification."

That's not how it works. Just because there's a ceasefire between North and South Korea doesn't mean one will be justified in attacking the other. The war was not justified, at all. It was ten years too late and based off fake premises. Again, a hell of con job by old cheney.