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Cheaters Want Government Jobs, Study Finds

Cheating students more likely to want government jobs, study finds

Los Angeles Times
By Emily Alpert Reyes
November 18, 2013

College students who cheated on a simple task were more likely to want government jobs, researchers from Harvard University and the University of Pennsylvania found in a study of hundreds of students in Bangalore, India.

Their results, recently released as a working paper by the National Bureau of Economic Research, suggest that one of the contributing forces behind government corruption could be who gets into government work in the first place.

For instance, “if people have the view that jobs in government are corrupt, people who are honest might not want to get into that system,” said Rema Hanna, an associate professor at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard. To combat that problem, governments may need to find new ways to screen people seeking jobs, she said.

Researchers ran a series of experiments with more than 600 students finishing up college in India. In one task, students had to privately roll a die and report what number they got. The higher the number, the more they would get paid. Each student rolled the die 42 times.

Although researchers do not know for sure if any one student lied, they could tell whether the numbers each person reported were wildly different than what would turn up randomly – in other words, whether there were a suspiciously high number of 5s and 6s in their results.

“Overall, we find that dishonest individuals – as measured by the dice task – prefer to enter government service,” wrote Hanna and coauthor Shing-yi Wang, an assistant professor at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School.

They added, “Importantly, we show that cheating on this task is also predictive of fraudulent behaviors by real government officials.”

The same test, given to a smaller set of government nurses, showed that those who appear to have cheated with the dice were also more likely to skip work. Previous studies suggest that the bulk of such absenteeism is fraudulent, Hanna said.

Researchers also ran other tests to gauge character: In another experiment, students played a game in which they could send a message anonymously to another player, either telling them honestly what move would earn them more money, or dishonestly nudging them toward a worse choice. Tricking the other student would help them gain more money.

A third test asked students to divide up a sum of rupees between themselves and a charity of their choice; for each rupee they chose to donate, the amount given to charity would double. Still other tests measured their memory and cognitive ability, or quizzed students about whether they would cheat on exams or believed that most businesses paid bribes.

Their findings differed from test to test: In the charity test, keeping more rupees for themselves was more common among government worker wannabes. However, lying during the message game seemed to have no correlation with whether students wanted to go into government work.

Researchers speculated that the difference between that game and the dice test, both of which measure dishonesty, could be that students felt differently about stealing from other students than “the experimenters” (aka the “taxpayers”) who ran the dice game. Hanna added that it’s harder to tell if a particular person has cheated during the dice game, which might affect their actions.

Surveying people about corruption also did little to predict whether people were prone to lie in real life, the researchers concluded – a troubling finding for governments that have folded such questions into job screening. Nor did ability seem to make a difference.

Put this over in PWI.

This is so unsurprising.
It’s like the “nice guys finish last” thing.
If you want to be at the top, you gotta be willing or at least prepared to do what the other guy isn’t, and that generally doesn’t mean being a kinder, warmer, more gentle person.

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
This is so unsurprising.
[/quote]

It is unsurprising, isn’t it.

Government is a good place for people who want money, but don’t actually want to be held accountable for producing anything to go. Lazy employees typically aren’t fired, just moved around. There is no boss insistent on getting a product out. They have a monopoly and no incentive to please their customers.

Non-profits are also filled with these kinds of leeches, as well.

You mean , Cops Fire fighters , Military ?

So true, I recently did a government test and it made absolutely no sense, my buddy did the same one and cheated his ass off and is now going through with the interviews. I think it’s for the best anyways. Not to interested in it anymore.

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
This is so unsurprising.
[/quote]

It is unsurprising, isn’t it.

Government is a good place for people who want money, but don’t actually want to be held accountable for producing anything to go. Lazy employees typically aren’t fired, just moved around. There is no boss insistent on getting a product out. They have a monopoly and no incentive to please their customers.

Non-profits are also filled with these kinds of leeches, as well.
[/quote]

Also reminds me of this
http://www.examiner.com/article/police-ag-holder-pressures-city-to-lower-standards-for-minority-recruits
same mentality.

I wonder what it would take for gov’t officials to be held accountable for the things they do and say, eg. Obamas promise regarding peoples health care not being touched, broken campaign promises, benefiting from insider nonsense.
I think there should be stricter rules for gov’t officials that behave unethically, like death penalty severe.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
You mean , Cops Fire fighters , Military ?[/quote]

I believe this regards bureaucrats, but the most useless, lazy, corrupt, pieces of shit I ever met were REMFs in the Army. Give me a Brown & Root contractor or Halliburton over any of their sorry asses.

And cops? Yeah, there are some fine cops. And then there are the NM cops that give guys anal probes to look for non-existent drugs. And the cop brother of an ex-girlfriend who showed up at my house, in uniform, screaming he was going to kick me ass while waiving his gun.*

  • He got fired, not because of me, but because he did similar shit to other people.

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
a study of hundreds of students in Bangalore, India.

A third test asked students to divide up a sum of rupees

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Is India short for Indiana?

we need government workers, we have cheaters in society , seems like a match :slight_smile:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
This is so unsurprising.
[/quote]

It is unsurprising, isn’t it.

Government is a good place for people who want money, but don’t actually want to be held accountable for producing anything to go. Lazy employees typically aren’t fired, just moved around. There is no boss insistent on getting a product out. They have a monopoly and no incentive to please their customers.

Non-profits are also filled with these kinds of leeches, as well.
[/quote]

Yep, we are all lazy good for nothing leeches. Nice broad paint brush you used there.

I guess we could say that all attorneys are ambulance chasing parasites?

This was done in India. Did no one else catch that?

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
This was done in India. Did no one else catch that? [/quote]

No one who agreed with the title did, or they chose to ignore it.

Man this thread is some seriously funny shit.

[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
This is so unsurprising.
[/quote]

It is unsurprising, isn’t it.

Government is a good place for people who want money, but don’t actually want to be held accountable for producing anything to go. Lazy employees typically aren’t fired, just moved around. There is no boss insistent on getting a product out. They have a monopoly and no incentive to please their customers.

Non-profits are also filled with these kinds of leeches, as well.
[/quote]

Yep, we are all lazy good for nothing leeches. Nice broad paint brush you used there.

I guess we could say that all attorneys are ambulance chasing parasites?[/quote]

this is the same broad brush the so called conservatives use all the time . All those lazy bastards on welfare are just lazy it has nothing to do with the fact there are only enough jobs for 8 out of 10 people that are in the labor market .

The military is the biggest pool of GOV jobs and when they leave the military it is a huge culture shock , welcome to reality

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
This was done in India. Did no one else catch that? [/quote]

What, you have a problem with Indians?!

j/k

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The military is the biggest pool of GOV jobs and when they leave the military it is a huge culture shock , welcome to reality
[/quote]

Well, the REMFs are, in general, just clock-punchers and pretty typical of government employees. So, yeah, they are lazy, too.

I make it a point to hire vets, but never have had any luck with REMFs. Combat Vets, medical, etc. are generally fantastic.