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Chavez to Cut Off Oil

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - President Hugo Chavez on Sunday threatened to cut off oil sales to the United States in an ‘economic war’ if Exxon Mobil Corp. (NYSE:XOM) wins court judgments to seize billions of dollars in Venezuelan assets.

Exxon Mobil has gone after the assets of state oil company Petroleos de Venezuela SA in U.S., British and Dutch courts as it challenges the nationalization of a multibillion dollar oil project by Chavez’s government.

A British court has issued an injunction ‘freezing’ as much as $12 billion in assets.

‘If you end up freezing (Venezuelan assets) and it harms us, we’re going to harm you,’ Chavez said during his weekly radio and television program, ‘Hello, President.’ ‘Do you know how? We aren’t going to send oil to the United States. Take note, Mr. Bush, Mr. Danger.’

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/newstex/AFX-0013-22930092.htm

Maybe Mr. Chavez will finally crushed!!

You folks tend to forget Venezuela is the second cheapest oil the US buys. Iraq is number one of course, since you literally occupy them.

Everything points out that Chavez’s bluffing. But supposing he’s not, the cut will not hit the USA that hard. It won’t go unnoticed, but it’ll certainly not be a disaster. Venezuela, on the other hand, will tremendously suffer - initially. Then, after he signs a few contracts with Beijing, it’ll be back to normal. Heck, if the current trend in oil prices persist, Caracas is set to become very wealthy in few decades.

Chavez will be gone is a few years, but his legacy will live on. You can accuse him of many things, but the one thing I don’t doubt is that he is not getting bought by big oil (as Rafael Rodriguez was). He is fully committed to the Bolivarian revolution, and won’t break under pressure.

He’s not too bright when it comes to economics.

We’ll just buy it off the world market from whomever Venezuela sells it to and not directly from Venezuela. Holding oil serves them no benefit and Chavez is a fool if he thinks his country can afford it.

Is this chest-pounding almost over yet?

His oil is low grade dog shit. Not too many countries can refine it.

I’m shocked that he has such a low regard for international law and simply accepting all those court decisions, should they not go his way. I thought he believed in justice…

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
His oil is low grade dog shit. Not too many countries can refine it.[/quote]

That is exactly true. If China could refine that swill he would have cut the U.S. off already. As far as I am concerned he can take that shit and shove it up his ass. It won’t affect me one damn bit. I don’t buy his shit.

[quote]lixy wrote:
You folks tend to forget Venezuela is the second cheapest oil the US buys. Iraq is number one of course, since you literally occupy them.

Everything points out that Chavez’s bluffing. But supposing he’s not, the cut will not hit the USA that hard. It won’t go unnoticed, but it’ll certainly not be a disaster. Venezuela, on the other hand, will tremendously suffer - initially. Then, after he signs a few contracts with Beijing, it’ll be back to normal. Heck, if the current trend in oil prices persist, Caracas is set to become very wealthy in few decades.

Chavez will be gone is a few years, but his legacy will live on. You can accuse him of many things, but the one thing I don’t doubt is that he is not getting bought by big oil (as Rafael Rodriguez was). He is fully committed to the Bolivarian revolution, and won’t break under pressure.[/quote]

Chavez is already wealthy. He’s not being bought by big oil, he simply uses the government might to take over Petroleos de Venezuela and just takes the money by force. Not very scientific but hell, it worked.
I hope he cuts the U.S. off. Hell, oil prices fell on the news of his threats.

Maybe when he finds out we don’t give a shit and won’t do business with him after that. Hell, who am I kidding. Hillary is bound to end up rolling in the hay with that moron. He’ll break under pressure if he thinks it’s a threat to him staying in power.
Committed to revolution? Please! He is committed to one thing, staying in power. The votes he can’t buy he gets buy threats and intimidation.

He’s just like lixy. He has to have attention, and if he doesn’t get enough he starts in with outlandish bullshit.

Let him cut off the oil.

http://www.danieldrezner.com/archives/003704.html

[quote]pat wrote:
Hell, oil prices fell on the news of his threats. [/quote]

It did? The gas station I can see from my balcony says otherwise.

[quote]lixy wrote:
pat wrote:
Hell, oil prices fell on the news of his threats.

It did? The gas station I can see from my balcony says otherwise.[/quote]

You aren’t buying Chavez’s oil either, and you are a fucking Euro terrorist to boot. So what you see out your window means dick to the US. Seriously, I know it is hard for you to believe, but no ine gives a fuck what you see.

Gasoline has fallen about 20 cents a gallon here over the last week and expected to keep falling until May.

Now are you gong to actually nut up and give the specifics of your little “I’m leaving” bet? Somehow I think you are as big a coward as your terrorist brothers. But that’s just me.

From BB’s link: “…as his efforts to advance Venezuela toward socialism are seen as failing to address a growing list of worries like violent crime and shortages of basic foods.”

This saddens me. Its always the poor who suffer when these guys launch into this Socialist/Communist crap. Chavez builds his accounts in The Caymans and in Switzerland on the suffering of his people.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
You aren’t buying Chavez’s oil either, and you are a fucking Euro terrorist to boot. [/quote]

Man, you are one sick piece of shit.

Good for you. Around here, it’s at its highest price ever!

Use the search function you idiot.

[quote]lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
You aren’t buying Chavez’s oil either, and you are a fucking Euro terrorist to boot.

Man, you are one sick piece of shit.

Gasoline has fallen about 20 cents a gallon here over the last week and expected to keep falling until May.

Good for you. Around here, it’s at its highest price ever!

Now are you gong to actually nut up and give the specifics of your little “I’m leaving” bet? Somehow I think you are as big a coward as your terrorist brothers. But that’s just me.

Use the search function you idiot.[/quote]

You have taken up for your brothers at every opportunity - up to and including defending the rapists of a teen-aged girl. And you call me a piece of shit? Look in the mirror, girlfriend.

I could give a shit what terrorist sympathizers are paying for gas in Sweden.

I guess by your dodging the bet, you are as big a coward as your brothers-in-bomb-vests. You have yet to let me down. You keep validating my disgust at your existence.

[quote]rainjack wrote:

I guess by your dodging the bet, you are as big a coward as your brothers-in-bomb-vests. You have yet to let me down. You keep validating my disgust at your existence.
[/quote]

People in bomb vests are cowards?

Bomber crews and artillery personnel are heroes?

[quote]orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:

I guess by your dodging the bet, you are as big a coward as your brothers-in-bomb-vests. You have yet to let me down. You keep validating my disgust at your existence.

People in bomb vests are cowards?

Bomber crews and artillery personnel are heroes?

[/quote]

Where have you been? I thought it smelled much better in here for a while - now I know why.

What do you call a vest made of bombs? I was going to use car-bombs, but I decided against it. Had I known you would be in here critiquing, I would have gone with my first choice.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:

I guess by your dodging the bet, you are as big a coward as your brothers-in-bomb-vests. You have yet to let me down. You keep validating my disgust at your existence.

People in bomb vests are cowards?

Bomber crews and artillery personnel are heroes?

Where have you been? I thought it smelled much better in here for a while - now I know why.

What do you call a vest made of bombs? I was going to use car-bombs, but I decided against it. Had I known you would be in here critiquing, I would have gone with my first choice. [/quote]

It does not matter.

To call people cowards that are willing to give their lifes to kill the enemy, no matter how misguided they are, while calling people who shell or bomb people from miles away heroes and “supporting” them smells of rank hypocrisy.

Maybe you are so used to your own BS that you mistake the fresh air if someone exposes it to the sunlight as somehow odorous.

[quote]orion wrote:

It does not matter.

To call people cowards that are willing to give their lifes to kill the enemy, no matter how misguided they are, while calling people who shell or bomb people from miles away heroes and “supporting” them smells of rank hypocrisy.

Maybe you are so used to your own BS that you mistake the fresh air if someone exposes it to the sunlight as somehow odorous.

[/quote]

Not necessarily - if the “suicide” in suicide bomber is an escape mechanism from the travails of life, then it very well could be seen as cowardly. Otherwise, it’s probably just insanity.

[quote]orion wrote:

To call people cowards that are willing to give their lifes to kill the enemy, no matter how misguided they are, while calling people who shell or bomb people from miles away heroes and “supporting” them smells of rank hypocrisy.

Maybe you are so used to your own BS that you mistake the fresh air if someone exposes it to the sunlight as somehow odorous.

[/quote]

I wasn’t aware strapping a bomb to yourself after getting all high on the Mohammed Spirit and killing women and children in Bazaars was heroic either. It’s a shame all those women and children are the enemy. Women and their damned wily ways. For shame.

Let’s all jump on the women and children slaughter bandwagon! Toot toot…

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
orion wrote:

It does not matter.

To call people cowards that are willing to give their lifes to kill the enemy, no matter how misguided they are, while calling people who shell or bomb people from miles away heroes and “supporting” them smells of rank hypocrisy.

Maybe you are so used to your own BS that you mistake the fresh air if someone exposes it to the sunlight as somehow odorous.

Not necessarily - if the “suicide” in suicide bomber is an escape mechanism from the travails of life, then it very well could be seen as cowardly. Otherwise, it’s probably just insanity.[/quote]

I agree, but if you see analyze American soldiers behaviors the same way there is also not much heroism left.

In the end RJ is displaying a western prejudice on how wars ought to be fought and what constitutes a war in the first place.

Mikeyali has recommended a book on this “Culture and Carnage”.

Those Iraqis are fighting this war in a way consistent with their culture and in the long run they will win.

Whether that does them any good is another matter.