Charlie Sheen's Message for President Obama

[quote]Vegita wrote:
Not today my friend, perhaps monday I will start a whole new thread just for you. I have already done more than I should have today, even with my stance on the issue, I can show respect for the fallen.

V[/quote]

I can live with that. More than anything my post was specifically directed at Gregus.

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Not today my friend, perhaps monday I will start a whole new thread just for you. I have already done more than I should have today, even with my stance on the issue, I can show respect for the fallen.

V

I can live with that. More than anything my post was specifically directed at Gregus.[/quote]

Cool, BTW sorry for calling you a disrespectful sack of shit. I was more or less copying you for dramatic effect. :wink:

V

Here are Charlie Sheen’s top twenty questions and I think these are the best to ask because they are all based on fact, debunk away!

CS â?? Thank you Mr. President. Okay, first; On the FBIâ??s most wanted list Osama Bin Laden is not charged with the crimes of 911. When I called the FBI to ask them why this was the case, they replied: â??Thereâ??s not enough evidence to link Bin Laden to the crime scene,â?? I later discovered he had never even been indicted by the D.O.J.

CS â?? Number 2; FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, was dismissed and gagged by the D.O.J. after she revealed that the government had foreknowledge of plans to attack American cities using planes as bombs as early as April 2001. In July of â??09, Mrs. Edmonds broke the Federal gag order and went public to reveal that Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the Taliban were all working for and with the C.I.A. up until the day of 9/11.

CS â?? Number 3; The following is a quote from Mayor Giuliani during an interview on 9/11 with Peter Jennings for ABC News. â??I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.â??

WHO TOLD HIM THIS??? To this day, the answer to this question remains unanswered, completely ignored and emphatically DENIED by Mayor Giuliani on several public occasions.

CS â?? Number 4; In April 2004, USA Today reported, â??In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating what the White House says was unimaginable at the time: hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties.â?? One of the targets was the World Trade Center.

CS â?? Number 5; On September 12th 2007, CNNâ??s â??Anderson Cooper 360â?², reported that the mysterious â??white planeâ?? spotted and videotaped by multiple media outlets, flying in restricted airspace over the White House shortly before 10am on the morning of 9/11, was in fact the Air Forceâ??s E-4B, a specially modified Boeing 747 with a communications pod behind the cockpit; otherwise known as â??The Doomsday Planeâ??.

Though fully aware of the event, the 9/11 Commission did not deem the appearance of the military plane to be of any interest and did not include it in the final 9/11 Commission report.

CS â?? Number 6; Three F-16s assigned to Andrews Air Force Base, ten miles from Washington, DC, are conducting training exercises in North Carolina 207 miles away as the first plane crashes into the WTC. Even at significantly less than their top speed of 1500 mph, they could still have defended the skies over Washington well before 9am, more than 37 minutes before Flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon, however, they did not return until after 9:55am.

Andrews AFB had no armed fighters on alert and ready to take off on the morning of 9/11.

CS â?? Number 7; WTC Building 7. Watch the video of its collapse.

CS â?? Number 8; Flight 93 is fourth plane to crash on 9/11 at 10:03am. V.P. Cheney only gives shoot down order at 10:10-10:20am and this is not communicated to NORAD until 28 minutes after Flight 93 has crashed.

Fueling further suspicion on this front is the fact that three months before the attacks of 9/11, Dick Cheney usurped control of NORAD, and therefore he, and no one else on planet Earth, had the power to call for military sorties on the hijacked airliners on 9/11. He did not exercise that power. Three months after 9/11, he relinquished command of NORAD and returned it to military operation.

A d v e r t i s e m e n t

CS â?? Number 9; Scores of main stream news outlets reported that the F.B.I. conducted an investigation of at least FIVE of the 9/11 hijackers being trained at U.S. military flight schools. Those investigations are now sealed and need to be declassified.

CS â?? Number 10; In 2004, New York firefighters Mike Bellone and Nicholas DeMasi went public to say they had found the black boxes at the World Trade Center, but were told to keep their mouths shut by FBI agents. Nicholas DeMasi said that he escorted federal agents on an all-terrain vehicle in October 2001 and helped them locate the devices, a story backed up by rescue volunteer Mike Bellone.

As the Philadelphia Daily News reported at the time, â??Their story raises the question of whether there was a some type of cover-up at Ground Zero.â??

CS â?? Number 11 â?? Hundreds of eye witnesses including first responders, fire captains, news reporters, and police, all described multiple explosions in both towers before and during the collapse.

CS â?? Number 12; An astounding video uncovered from the archives shows BBC News correspondent Jane Standley reporting on the collapse of WTC Building 7 over twenty minutes before it fell at 5:20pm on the afternoon of 9/11. Tapes from earlier BBC broadcasts show news anchors discussing the collapse of WTC 7 a full 26 minutes in advance. The BBC at first claimed that their tapes from 9/11 had been â??lostâ?? before admitting that they made the â??errorâ?? of reporting the collapse of WTC 7 before it happened without adequately explaining how they could have obtained advance knowledge of the event.

In addition, over an hour before the collapse of WTC 7, at 4:10pm, CNNâ??s Aaron Brown reported that the building â??has either collapsed, or is collapsing.â??

CS â?? Number 13; Solicitor General Ted Olsonâ??s claim that his wife Barbara Olsen called him twice from Flight 77, describing hijackers with box cutters, was a central plank of the official 9/11 story.

However, the credibility of the story was completely undermined after Olsen kept changing his story about whether his wife used her cell phone or the airplane phone. The technology to enable cell phone calls from high-altitude airline flights was not created until 2004. American Airlines confirmed that Flight 77 was a Boeing 757 and that this plane did not have airplane phones on board.

According to the FBI, Barbara Olsen attempted to call her husband only once and the call failed to connect, therefore Olsen must have been lying when he claimed he had spoken to his wife from Flight 77.

CS â?? Number 14; The size of a Boeing 757 is approximately 125ft in width and yet images of the impact zone at the Pentagon supposedly caused by the crash merely show a hole no more than 16ft in diameter. The engines of the 757 would have punctured a hole bigger than this, never mind the whole plane. Images before the partial collapse of the impact zone show little real impact damage and a sparse debris field completely inconsistent with the crash of a large jetliner, especially when contrasted with other images showing airplane crashes into buildings.

CS â?? Number 15; What is the meaning behind the following quote attributed to Dick Cheney which came to light during the 9/11 Commission hearings? The passage is taken from testimony given by then Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta.

During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, â??The plane is 50 miles out.â?? â??The plane is 30 miles out.â?? And when it got down to â??the plane is 10 miles out,â?? the young man also said to the Vice President, â??Do the orders still stand?â?? And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, â??Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?â??

As the plane was not shot down, in addition to the fact that armed fighter jets were nowhere near the plane and the Pentagon defensive system was not activated, are we to take it that the orders were to let the plane find its target?

CS â?? Number 16; In May 2003, the Miami Herald reported how the Bush administration was refusing to release a 900-page congressional report on 9/11 because it wanted to â??avoid enshrining embarrassing details in the report,â?? particularly regarding pre-9/11 warnings as well as the fact that the hijackers were trained at U.S. flight schools.

CS â?? Number 17; Top Pentagon officials cancelled their scheduled flights for September 11th on September 10th. San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown, following a security warning, cancelled a flight into New York that was scheduled for the morning of 9/11.

CS â?? Number 18; The technology to enable cell phone calls from high-altitude airline flights was not created until 2004, and even by that point it was only in the trial phase. Calls from cell phones which formed an integral part of the official government version of events were technologically impossible at the time.

CS â?? Number 19: On April 29, 2004, President Bush and V.P. Cheney would only meet with the commission under specific clandestine conditions. They insisted on testifying together and not under oath. They also demanded that their testimony be treated as a matter of â??state secret.â?? To date, nothing they spoke of that day exists in the public domain.

CS â?? And finally Mr. President â?? Number 20; A few days after the attack, several newspapers as well as the FBI reported that a paper passport had been found in the ruins of the WTC. In August 2004, CNN reported that 9/11 hijacker Ziad Jarrahâ??s visa was found in the remains of Flight 93 which went down in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

lol @ Bill Roberts

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
The secret truth, finally revealed, is that the Bush crime family had sleeper agents fly the planes into the WTC and Pentagon, while the old crew they’d used for the Kennedy assassination planted charges just to make extra-sure. The purpose? Because their hand-picked successor Obama’s long-form birth certificate was stored in a vault in the WTC and this was the only to destroy the evidence that could have ruined his candidacy.

And why the Pentagon bombing / plane crash? Because the DOD had taken Obama’s passport records on loan, and they had to be destroyed also. Just as the Terminator said in T2 regarding his computer chip.

Plus, the Bush crime family had sold short on stock and made billions that day, as did their Texas oil cronies.[/quote]

the pieces are all falling in place. we are through the looking glass people.

seriously though. While you can certainly use high school physics to debunk this crap, this conspiracy theory has yet another fatal flaw:

As a premise the Government is hyper-competant.

now i dont know what kind of world they live in. but the government i know is anything but hypercompetant.

Fuck. At least tidy that shit up when you post it.

[quote]nik133 wrote:
On the FBI’s most wanted list Osama Bin Laden is not charged with the crimes of 911. When I called the FBI to ask them why this was the case, they replied: There’s not enough evidence to link Bin Laden to the crime scene, I later discovered he had never even been indicted by the D.O.J.[/quote]

In order to be listed on the FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitive list, the suspect must have been indicted for the crime. To indict Bin Laden formally for the 9/11 attacks would require presenting evidence in a court of law; such evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11 would include intelligence sources, and Al-Qaeda detainees. Making such sources (and methods) publicly known, isn’t exactly advisable. In the Zacarias Moussaoui case, a big deal was made over access to detainee witnesses and about handling evidence from other intelligence sources.

This woman, while moderately attractive, is a joke. She talks about people betraying their country for paltry sums ($15,000) and other UNSUBSTANTIATED bullshit. This is all relatively new information however, so let’s it on this one for a while.

[quote]Number 3; The following is a quote from Mayor Giuliani during an interview on 9/11 with Peter Jennings for ABC News. “I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.”

WHO TOLD HIM THIS??? To this day, the answer to this question remains unanswered, completely ignored and emphatically DENIED by Mayor Giuliani on several public occasions.[/quote]

Sorry but this is baloney. It’s not unimaginable that someone would assume that the building(s) might come down after being hit by a commerical airliner.

[i]As I was walking towards the Fire command post, I found Steve Mosiello. I said, Steve, where’s the boss? I have to give him a message. He said, well, what’s the message? I said the buildings are going to collapse; we need to evac everybody out. With a very confused look he said who told you that? I said I was just with John at OEM. OEM says the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get out.

He escorted me over to Chief Ganci. He said, hey, Pete, we got a message that the buildings are going to collapse. His reply was who the fuck told you that? Then Steve brought me in and with Chief Ganci, Commissioner Feehan, Steve, I believe Chief Turi was initially there, I said, listen, I was just at OEM. The message I was given was that the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get our people out. At that moment, this thunderous, rolling roar came down and that’s when the building came down, the first tower came down.[/i]

OEM is “Office of Emergency Management” if you hadn’t realized.

It doesn’t automatically mean those simulations were right. This is a prime example of making a big deal of nothing. Yes, NAADC is probably full if very smart people, but they aren’t infallible.

[quote]Number 5; On September 12th 2007, CNN’s Anderson Cooper, reported that the mysterious white plane spotted and videotaped by multiple media outlets, flying in restricted airspace over the White House shortly before 10am on the morning of 9/11, was in fact the Air ForceÃ?¢??s E-4B, a specially modified Boeing 747 with a communications pod behind the cockpit; otherwise known as The Doomsday Plane.

Though fully aware of the event, the 9/11 Commission did not deem the appearance of the military plane to be of any interest and did not include it in the final 9/11 Commission report.[/quote]

A Falcon 20 business jet, owned by VF Corp. of Greensboro, N.C., was spotted as it headed to the Johnstown-Cambria airport. The plane in descent to land at the airport and was at 3000 to 4000 ft altitude at the time. Its pilot, Yates Gladwell, was directed to help locate the crash site. This is the white plane that some people spotted after Flight 93 crashed. It was simply there to confirm the crash and get the coordinates of the crash site.

[quote]Number 6; Three F-16s assigned to Andrews Air Force Base, ten miles from Washington, DC, are conducting training exercises in North Carolina 207 miles away as the first plane crashes into the WTC. Even at significantly less than their top speed of 1500 mph, they could still have defended the skies over Washington well before 9am, more than 37 minutes before Flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon, however, they did not return until after 9:55am.

Andrews AFB had no armed fighters on alert and ready to take off on the morning of 9/11.[/quote]

Oh god, not this.

On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes.

“They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us,” says Major Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD’s Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked â?? the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va.

None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.

Why couldn’t ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes’ transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country’s busiest air corridors. And NORAD’s sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. “It was like a doughnut,” Martin says. “There was no coverage in the middle.” Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn’t prepared to track them.

According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building’s failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. “What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors,” Sunder notes, “it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down.”

There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building’s other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. There was no firefighting in WTC 7. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. The current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel to the fire for a long period of time.

WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors along with the building’s unusual construction were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.

[/quote]Number 8; Flight 93 is fourth plane to crash on 9/11 at 10:03am. V.P. Cheney only gives shoot down order at 10:10-10:20am and this is not communicated to NORAD until 28 minutes after Flight 93 has crashed.

Fueling further suspicion on this front is the fact that three months before the attacks of 9/11, Dick Cheney usurped control of NORAD, and therefore he, and no one else on planet Earth, had the power to call for military sorties on the hijacked airliners on 9/11. He did not exercise that power. Three months after 9/11, he relinquished command of NORAD and returned it to military operation.[/quote]

See above. NORAD was NOT equipped to handle attacks from within.

Great for the outlet, let’s have us some real evidence. If we’re going of conspiracy sites, you’ll notice that one of the common sources for this have discrepancies in spelling of name and birthdates. These aren’t small things, these point to talking about the wrong person altogether.One of the Pensacola-linked hijackers is Saeed Alghamdi, for instance:

[i]“What we have here is a situation of people with identical names”, said Harry White, public affairs officer at the base. He said the school has had more than 1,600 people with the first name Saeed, spelled various ways, and more than 200 with the surname Alghamdi.

White maintains, however, that none of the Saeed Alghamdi students was involved with terrorist activity. "We have found no direct connection between any of the foreign students trained at NAS Pensacola and any of the terrorist suspects,? he said.[/i]

Pushing further on, this same discrepancy leads us to calculate the age ofone of the terrorists as being 17 when he went to learn how to fly. I very much doubt they would put a 17 year old thrhough military training on flying aircraft.

[quote]Number 10; In 2004, New York firefighters Mike Bellone and Nicholas DeMasi went public to say they had found the black boxes at the World Trade Center, but were told to keep their mouths shut by FBI agents. Nicholas DeMasi said that he escorted federal agents on an all-terrain vehicle in October 2001 and helped them locate the devices, a story backed up by rescue volunteer Mike Bellone.

As the Philadelphia Daily News reported at the time, “Their story raises the question of whether there was a some type of cover-up at Ground Zero.”[/quote]

LOL. Items from terrorist attacks are taken in by the government and this surprises you. Did it ever occur that there are converasations of a sensitive nature taht the FBI might consider pertinent to finding other members of Al-Qaeda or some other terrorist group?

Cite sources.

Watch it.

[quote]Number 12; An astounding video uncovered from the archives shows BBC News correspondent Jane Standley reporting on the collapse of WTC Building 7 over twenty minutes before it fell at 5:20pm on the afternoon of 9/11. Tapes from earlier BBC broadcasts show news anchors discussing the collapse of WTC 7 a full 26 minutes in advance. The BBC at first claimed that their tapes from 9/11 had been lost before admitting that they made the error of reporting the collapse of WTC 7 before it happened without adequately explaining how they could have obtained advance knowledge of the event.

In addition, over an hour before the collapse of WTC 7, at 4:10pm, CNN’s Aaron Brown reported that the building “has either collapsed, or is collapsing.”[/quote]

Why do they choose to believe the more unlikely conspiracy story which suggests that at least some reporters of some news organizations were given a script? Especially when, much more logically, miscommunication could easily explain the video.

Why in the WORLD would they need to give the reporters a head’s up??? Why wouldn’t they just blow the building up and let them report the collapse as they would have normally?

What most likely, logically happened: According to the fire department, by 2:00PM they knew the building would soon collapse. Reporters KNEW this well before the collapse because there are videos of reporters talking about it before it happened. So we KNOW reporters were given information on WTC 7’s imminent demise. We can conclude from this evidence that the fire department relayed information to reporters that the building was going to collapse. By the time the report reached the reporter at the BBC, it may have simply been miscommunicated from “About to collapse” to “Has collapsed”. She even starts out by saying “Details are very, very sketchy”. That alone should put this to rest. She didn’t say ‘Sketchy’. She didn’t say ‘very sketchy’. She said “very, very sketchy”.

[quote]Number 13; Solicitor General Ted Olson’s claim that his wife Barbara Olsen called him twice from Flight 77, describing hijackers with box cutters, was a central plank of the official 9/11 story.

However, the credibility of the story was completely undermined after Olsen kept changing his story about whether his wife used her cell phone or the airplane phone. The technology to enable cell phone calls from high-altitude airline flights was not created until 2004. American Airlines confirmed that Flight 77 was a Boeing 757 and that this plane did not have airplane phones on board.

According to the FBI, Barbara Olsen attempted to call her husband only once and the call failed to connect, therefore Olsen must have been lying when he claimed he had spoken to his wife from Flight 77.[/quote]

Teresa Gonzalez, operator for AT&T Services AT&T, telephonically contacted the Federal Bureau of Investigation FBI to report an emergency phone call received by AT&T. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing agent and the nature of the interview, she provided the following information:

Mercy Lorenzo, also an operator with AT&T, received a call from a female passenger on flight 77 requesting to be transferred to telephone number [redacted] The female passenger advised the plane was being hi-jacked. Hi-jackers were ordering passengers to move to the back of the plane and were armed with guns and knives. Lorenzo indicated the pilot might not yet be aware of the take over of the plane.

Additionally, the number provided was the number of the passenger’s husband. He is a Sergeant and resides in Washington, D.C.

Also, do you expect someone to be in a normal state of mind after losing his wife? No wonder the poor guys story was messed up.

When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon’s exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasn’t the hole as wide as a 757’s 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn’t punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon’s load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. “If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building, it didn’t happen.”

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide â?? not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet’s landing gear, not by the fuselage.

That’s all I have for now, it’s 5am here and I have no idea why I’m not drunk yet, it’s my friends birthday.

[quote]Vegita wrote:
I just wanted to add in that today is an emotional day surrounding those events 8 years ago. Perhaps my last response was a bit strong but I’m leaving it alone. I’m not responding to anything about this the rest of the day, the rest of the day will be spent remembering the people who died, thier families and the men and women of the U.S. Armed forces who have sacrificed so much in the last 8 years on our behalf. May thier ultimate judgement be measured on thier bravery and sacrifice.

V[/quote]

V, thanks for respecting what is a day of mourning…

Remember 343

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Not today my friend, perhaps monday I will start a whole new thread just for you. I have already done more

than I should have today, even with my stance on the issue, I can show respect for the fallen.

V

I can live with that. More than anything my post was specifically directed at Gregus.[/quote]

Well i don’t know what would make you call me those names, but maybe it made you feel better about yourself?

Go to youtube and watch Loose change final cut. It’s a good starting point.

If I want to know a soothing cream for STD sores or the going price for facializing a random prostitute on the western seaboard, I’ll ask Charlie Sheen.

Other than that, I couldn’t give two shits what he has to say about anything.

[quote]Gregus wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Not today my friend, perhaps monday I will start a whole new thread just for you. I have already done more

than I should have today, even with my stance on the issue, I can show respect for the fallen.

V

I can live with that. More than anything my post was specifically directed at Gregus.

Well i don’t know what would make you call me those names, but maybe it made you feel better about yourself?

Go to youtube and watch Loose change final cut. It’s a good starting point. [/quote]

How about starting with a source that hasn’t been repeatedly debunked over and over ad nauseum?

The original has some errors that were corrected. The Revised version is error free. Sorry for you. It must suck to have cement for a brain.

And while were at it, explain building 7.

[quote]Gregus wrote:
And while were at it, explain building 7. [/quote]

Scroll up.

So, Charlie Sheen exposes himself as yet another Hollywood moonbat and this is thread worthy?

Maybe he should just stick to having hot chicks on his show and partying hard. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
So, Charlie Sheen exposes himself as yet another Hollywood moonbat and this is thread worthy?

Maybe he should just stick to having hot chicks on his show and partying hard. Yeah, that’s the ticket.[/quote]

I think we’re about to agree on something.

… !

There it is. Well said.

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Gregus wrote:
And while were at it, explain building 7.

Scroll up.[/quote]

No no, explain how that building fell at free fall speed into it’s own footprint?

[quote]Makavali wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
So, Charlie Sheen exposes himself as yet another Hollywood moonbat and this is thread worthy?

Maybe he should just stick to having hot chicks on his show and partying hard. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

I think we’re about to agree on something.

… !

There it is. Well said.[/quote]

I think we agree on a whole lot more than you think, maybe not so much in certain details.

One thing is for sure though, when in doubt, ALWAYS opt for ‘hot chicks’.

[quote]Gregus wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Gregus wrote:
And while were at it, explain building 7.

Scroll up.

No no, explain how that building fell at free fall speed into it’s own footprint? [/quote]

Um, high school physics. Also, try getting facts from places that aren’t nutjob conspiracy sites, I hear the truth helps.

[quote]Gregus wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Gregus wrote:
And while were at it, explain building 7.

Scroll up.

No no, explain how that building fell at free fall speed into it’s own footprint? [/quote]

Um, high school physics. Also, try getting facts from places that aren’t nutjob conspiracy sites, I hear the truth helps.

[quote]Gregus wrote:
No no, explain how that building fell at free fall speed into it’s own footprint? [/quote]

There is a phenomenon in which curved space-time results in directly-downwards acceleration of unsupported objects, rather than sideways or upwards. Spooky stuff.

[quote]Gregus wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Gregus wrote:
And while were at it, explain building 7.

Scroll up.

No no, explain how that building fell at free fall speed into it’s own footprint? [/quote]

The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse:

Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall).
Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)
Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity
This analysis showed that the 40 percent longer descent timeâ??compared to the 3.9 second free fall timeâ??was due primarily to Stage 1, which corresponded to the buckling of the exterior columns in the lower stories of the north face. During Stage 2, the north face descended essentially in free fall, indicating negligible support from the structure below. This is consistent with the structural analysis model which showed the exterior columns buckling and losing their capacity to support the loads from the structure above. In Stage 3, the acceleration decreased as the upper portion of the north face encountered increased resistance from the collapsed structure and the debris pile below.

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.html