[quote]Stronghold wrote:
There’s no need to train twice a day unless training once per day no longer works for you.[/quote]
This^.
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I think this is a good forum because all styles of training for fitness (size, strength, maybe even some general conditioning and fitness stuff) can be discussed without it putting a damper on the bodybuilding thread. [/quote]
uh oh, sounds to me like Brick’s about to tell us he’s been Crossfitting…[/quote]
About to. 
Only did two trial classes so far, but me and my woman will join a CF gym near here this month. Like I said, I wanted to compete, but with the way my job and life is now, it’s just not congruent.
Still a die hard bodybuilding fan and looking forward to attending the NY pro in two months.
About 30 min. heavy gym, 6 mornings pull/legs/push with about 25 min. light later at home works for me. I never did a Chad program from that book but i use some of his stuff.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
- I do not think that Prof X comment is fair and I think it illustrates one of the things that are wrong with more ‘‘traditional’’ bodybuilders (or those who like that type of training). Just because someone doesn’t like bodybuilding doesn’t mean that he doesn’t know a few things that can help ANYBODY add muscle mass… including bodybuilders. I know that if somebody who HATES me come up with a very effective way to build muscle, I will use it.
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Oh, you’re right. I have just had words in the past with Chad that made him have a whole discussion erased from this board. I guess I just feel biased still.
I am not recommending everyone else ignore everything he says…but I truly believe there are enough people out there that worrying about his point of view isn’t exactly what will hold someone back if they aren’t aware of it.
In other words, listen to who you like…but if I were going for a goal, I would listen to people who lived more like it.
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
Chad Waterbury’s a total beast! He’s got some wicked ideas. I’ve never really understood why he gets so much hate on here.
Maybe now we have the Bigger, Stronger, Leaner forum we can fly his flag with honour[/quote]
I have a few of Chad’s books and all of his articles and I really like reading his views on training. He is very much into ring training now which I aren’t interested in so I don’t follow him much now but his ideas on rep ranges and explosive lifting. Varying intensity so you can increase frequency. The guy is very switched on.
When a strength coach has some different ideas on training to what many have been doing for years they generally will cop some flack from the usual suspects. Some people are just very narrow minded.
Here’s an extract from an interview on this website back in 2008 explaining his thoughts on the clientele that he actually trains.
TM: You brought up Arthur Jones. He’s a guy who came along, looked at what bodybuilders were doing, and said, “No, no, that ain’t right.” Aren’t you doing the same thing? I mean, in the face of overwhelming evidence that the most successful bodybuilders do the opposite of what you tell them to do, you’re still saying, “Don’t do it that way.”
Obviously, the split routines, training to failure and beyond, slower lifting speeds, isolation exercises, machine training, moderate reps, getting sore, going for the pump â?? that’s all worked, hasn’t it? It’s not like pro bodybuilders aren’t getting big.
Waterbury: Competitive bodybuilding isn’t my market. Those guys are part of a sport that’s entirely about what their bodies look like. They don’t need athleticism. They don’t need to get into a cage and kick someone’s ass, or plow through a defensive line, or scale a wall or trudge through a jungle with 40 pounds of gear strapped to their back.
My goal is to help guys get big, strong, lean, and athletic, to have high levels of strength and mobility. A body that can do stuff.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I think this is a good forum because all styles of training for fitness (size, strength, maybe even some general conditioning and fitness stuff) can be discussed without it putting a damper on the bodybuilding thread. [/quote]
uh oh, sounds to me like Brick’s about to tell us he’s been Crossfitting…[/quote]
About to. Only did two trial classes so far, but me and my woman will join a CF gym near here this month. Like I said, I wanted to compete, but with the way my job and life is now, it’s just not congruent.
Still a die hard bodybuilding fan and looking forward to attending the NY pro in two months. [/quote]
I hereby banish you from the internet!
I feel like I can say now with the development of this new forum that I actually think CF is pretty cool
[quote]Angus1 wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
Chad Waterbury’s a total beast! He’s got some wicked ideas. I’ve never really understood why he gets so much hate on here.
Maybe now we have the Bigger, Stronger, Leaner forum we can fly his flag with honour[/quote]
I have a few of Chad’s books and all of his articles and I really like reading his views on training. He is very much into ring training now which I aren’t interested in so I don’t follow him much now but his ideas on rep ranges and explosive lifting. Varying intensity so you can increase frequency. The guy is very switched on.
When a strength coach has some different ideas on training to what many have been doing for years they generally will cop some flack from the usual suspects. Some people are just very narrow minded.
Here’s an extract from an interview on this website back in 2008 explaining his thoughts on the clientele that he actually trains.
TM: You brought up Arthur Jones. He’s a guy who came along, looked at what bodybuilders were doing, and said, “No, no, that ain’t right.” Aren’t you doing the same thing? I mean, in the face of overwhelming evidence that the most successful bodybuilders do the opposite of what you tell them to do, you’re still saying, “Don’t do it that way.”
Obviously, the split routines, training to failure and beyond, slower lifting speeds, isolation exercises, machine training, moderate reps, getting sore, going for the pump â?? that’s all worked, hasn’t it? It’s not like pro bodybuilders aren’t getting big.
Waterbury: Competitive bodybuilding isn’t my market. Those guys are part of a sport that’s entirely about what their bodies look like. They don’t need athleticism. They don’t need to get into a cage and kick someone’s ass, or plow through a defensive line, or scale a wall or trudge through a jungle with 40 pounds of gear strapped to their back.
My goal is to help guys get big, strong, lean, and athletic, to have high levels of strength and mobility. A body that can do stuff.
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yeah I remember reading that.
I have no doubt that if I hired CW (not that I could afford him!) he could add some serious muscle and get me in shape. Most definitely. Would I hire him if I were a professional bodybuilder? No, but that’s not to say that he wouldn’t be good at it, just that there are others out there who specialise in that area.
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I think this is a good forum because all styles of training for fitness (size, strength, maybe even some general conditioning and fitness stuff) can be discussed without it putting a damper on the bodybuilding thread. [/quote]
uh oh, sounds to me like Brick’s about to tell us he’s been Crossfitting…[/quote]
About to. Only did two trial classes so far, but me and my woman will join a CF gym near here this month. Like I said, I wanted to compete, but with the way my job and life is now, it’s just not congruent.
Still a die hard bodybuilding fan and looking forward to attending the NY pro in two months. [/quote]
I hereby banish you from the internet!
I feel like I can say now with the development of this new forum that I actually think CF is pretty cool[/quote]
I don’t want anyone else’s opinions affected by mine. There is simply some history here that I am still wishing they didn’t erase.
I am sure Chad is helping people reach goals.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I think this is a good forum because all styles of training for fitness (size, strength, maybe even some general conditioning and fitness stuff) can be discussed without it putting a damper on the bodybuilding thread. [/quote]
uh oh, sounds to me like Brick’s about to tell us he’s been Crossfitting…[/quote]
About to. Only did two trial classes so far, but me and my woman will join a CF gym near here this month. Like I said, I wanted to compete, but with the way my job and life is now, it’s just not congruent.
Still a die hard bodybuilding fan and looking forward to attending the NY pro in two months. [/quote]
I hereby banish you from the internet!
I feel like I can say now with the development of this new forum that I actually think CF is pretty cool[/quote]
I don’t want anyone else’s opinions affected by mine. There is simply some history here that I am still wishing they didn’t erase.
I am sure Chad is helping people reach goals.[/quote]
it’s cool man we know you’re just a big cuddly teddy bear
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I feel like I can say now with the development of this new forum that I actually think CF is pretty cool[/quote]
Well, it will certainly get you leaner. The “bigger” and “stronger” stuff, however, will get left by the wayside.[/quote]
Not 100% correct. I train several Crossfit people on the olympic lifts and some have more than decent strength and muscle mass. I have two girls who could step-up on a competitive figure stage and win without even dieting one day, and they both clean & jerk over 190 (one does 210), deadlift in the 330-350 range and push press 175 or more.
And I have quite a few guys cleaning 280 or more and who are a very lean 200-210lbs at 5’10’’ or so.
Now, these are the more serious folks. These guys do not limit themselves to Crossfit WODs, they do strength training too, but you’ll find that it’s what goes on in 90% of the top crossfit people.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I feel like I can say now with the development of this new forum that I actually think CF is pretty cool[/quote]
Well, it will certainly get you leaner. The “bigger” and “stronger” stuff, however, will get left by the wayside.[/quote]
Not 100% correct. I train several Crossfit people on the olympic lifts and some have more than decent strength and muscle mass. I have two girls who could step-up on a competitive figure stage and win without even dieting one day, and they both clean & jerk over 190 (one does 210), deadlift in the 330-350 range and push press 175 or more.
And I have quite a few guys cleaning 280 or more and who are a very lean 200-210lbs at 5’10’’ or so.
Now, these are the more serious folks. These guys do not limit themselves to Crossfit WODs, they do strength training too, but you’ll find that it’s what goes on in 90% of the top crossfit people.[/quote]
Any particular Crossfit affiliate? CF for me is like personal training, it all depends on who’s telling you what to do. I would love to find a CF website that boasts and backs-up great results. The main site doesn’t really do this…
CF just seems like a lot of fun, but it would be nice to find an affiliate the has at least a small physique goal in mind.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I feel like I can say now with the development of this new forum that I actually think CF is pretty cool[/quote]
Well, it will certainly get you leaner. The “bigger” and “stronger” stuff, however, will get left by the wayside.[/quote]
Not 100% correct. I train several Crossfit people on the olympic lifts and some have more than decent strength and muscle mass. I have two girls who could step-up on a competitive figure stage and win without even dieting one day, and they both clean & jerk over 190 (one does 210), deadlift in the 330-350 range and push press 175 or more.
And I have quite a few guys cleaning 280 or more and who are a very lean 200-210lbs at 5’10’’ or so.
Now, these are the more serious folks. These guys do not limit themselves to Crossfit WODs, they do strength training too, but you’ll find that it’s what goes on in 90% of the top crossfit people.[/quote]
that’s impressive. I’ve always thought adding a couple of CF days on top of your regular weight training would be a great way to train. I’d never dedicate myself to it entirely. I’m a bit put off by how much the CF gym in my area costs. To make it cost effective you’d need to use it a lot more than twice a week.
And I wish they didn’t do those stupid pull ups…
I don’t think Chad hates bodybuilding but does disagree with the traditional split routine. I saw some good gains training a bodypart more than once a week (something I didn’t consider before Chad), but it was also easy to burn out that way. I thought he had some good ideas about frequency.
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
I don’t think Chad hates bodybuilding but does disagree with the traditional split routine. I saw some good gains training a bodypart more than once a week (something I didn’t consider before Chad), but it was also easy to burn out that way. I thought he had some good ideas about frequency.[/quote]
Around here, disagreeing with someone’s methodology is considered a personal attack.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I feel like I can say now with the development of this new forum that I actually think CF is pretty cool[/quote]
Well, it will certainly get you leaner. The “bigger” and “stronger” stuff, however, will get left by the wayside.[/quote]
Not 100% correct. I train several Crossfit people on the olympic lifts and some have more than decent strength and muscle mass. I have two girls who could step-up on a competitive figure stage and win without even dieting one day, and they both clean & jerk over 190 (one does 210), deadlift in the 330-350 range and push press 175 or more.
And I have quite a few guys cleaning 280 or more and who are a very lean 200-210lbs at 5’10’’ or so.
Now, these are the more serious folks. These guys do not limit themselves to Crossfit WODs, they do strength training too, but you’ll find that it’s what goes on in 90% of the top crossfit people.[/quote]
I have seen way too many built Crossfit guys, so I’m going to agree with you. I’ve talked to them and the vast majority didn’t have a powerlifting/bodybuilding/weightlifting background, they just made sure to do their strength/power stuff first in the workout, and leave the conditioning for after. Wendler actually has a section in his 2nd ed. 5/3/1 manual about combining the main lifts and Crossfit.
[quote]setto222 wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I feel like I can say now with the development of this new forum that I actually think CF is pretty cool[/quote]
Well, it will certainly get you leaner. The “bigger” and “stronger” stuff, however, will get left by the wayside.[/quote]
Not 100% correct. I train several Crossfit people on the olympic lifts and some have more than decent strength and muscle mass. I have two girls who could step-up on a competitive figure stage and win without even dieting one day, and they both clean & jerk over 190 (one does 210), deadlift in the 330-350 range and push press 175 or more.
And I have quite a few guys cleaning 280 or more and who are a very lean 200-210lbs at 5’10’’ or so.
Now, these are the more serious folks. These guys do not limit themselves to Crossfit WODs, they do strength training too, but you’ll find that it’s what goes on in 90% of the top crossfit people.[/quote]
Any particular Crossfit affiliate? CF for me is like personal training, it all depends on who’s telling you what to do. I would love to find a CF website that boasts and backs-up great results. The main site doesn’t really do this…
CF just seems like a lot of fun, but it would be nice to find an affiliate the has at least a small physique goal in mind.
[/quote]
I would check out www.mikesgym.org/wod.php … he has Crossfit workouts there but Mike Burgener’s bread and butter is Olympic weightlifting and strength, so he has a hefty dose of those in his workouts.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I feel like I can say now with the development of this new forum that I actually think CF is pretty cool[/quote]
Well, it will certainly get you leaner. The “bigger” and “stronger” stuff, however, will get left by the wayside.[/quote]
Not 100% correct. I train several Crossfit people on the olympic lifts and some have more than decent strength and muscle mass. I have two girls who could step-up on a competitive figure stage and win without even dieting one day, and they both clean & jerk over 190 (one does 210), deadlift in the 330-350 range and push press 175 or more.
And I have quite a few guys cleaning 280 or more and who are a very lean 200-210lbs at 5’10’’ or so.
Now, these are the more serious folks. These guys do not limit themselves to Crossfit WODs, they do strength training too, but you’ll find that it’s what goes on in 90% of the top crossfit people.[/quote]
I have seen way too many built Crossfit guys, so I’m going to agree with you. I’ve talked to them and the vast majority didn’t have a powerlifting/bodybuilding/weightlifting background, they just made sure to do their strength/power stuff first in the workout, and leave the conditioning for after. Wendler actually has a section in his 2nd ed. 5/3/1 manual about combining the main lifts and Crossfit.[/quote]
While they may not have had the Powerlifting/Bodybuilding/Weightlifting specific background, the fact is most of them were former athletes in some form or fashion. So, in that essence they had been doing some form of structured lifting most likely up through college on top of their athletic endeavors which certainly helped create their physiques.
I think the good ones you see competing now are former athletes who still want to compete in something and CF scratches that itch. Especially true for the females who i think you see a lot of former gymnasts, track, etc athletes. And obviously they are all hard workers, never done CF but i have a ton of respect for the work ethic and what they put their bodies through.