[quote]Charged wrote:
Thanks for your help. However, that doesn’t work, not to worry as I managed to find the old spreadsheet programmes. They are bloody awesome so if any1 wants them just pm me.[/quote]
You guys then commenced bitching. I think you’re looking for estrogennation.com
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
[quote]Charged wrote:
Try cutting.[/quote]
No thanks. Good luck with your ABBH program and gaining ‘lots of size’.[/quote]
LMFAO at this little exchange!
.greg.
I got a few lulz here.
“Try the ANTI Bodybuilding Section”
“Try cutting”
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
[quote]Charged wrote:
Try cutting.[/quote]
No thanks. Good luck with your ABBH program and gaining ‘lots of size’.[/quote]
LMFAO at this little exchange!
.greg.[/quote]
it made me laugh a bit but the fat comment stung a little <=(
[quote]Charged wrote:
Well actually im not training primarily to get big, im training to get more athletic and stronger. That being said however when i was 17 I gained lots of size on ABBH I. And even now doing WS4SB for around 10 months i’ve yet to get anything as noticeable as that. Have you ever even trained full body?[/quote]
I have trained TBT before for ~6 months back about 3 years ago. I will say it is good for losing WEIGHT, not necessarily fat. I personally felt that i lost a lot of muscular size doing TBT and while my bench press did go up about 10 lbs(probably due to a rest every other day - ON OFF ON OFF ON OFF) over i wasnt satisfied with the results.
I would also argue that you will probably get better gains in strength/size/endurance if you do a traditional bodypart split, med-low reps.
Not knocking you brother, just giving you my 2 cents.
-Sar
As if training like a bodybuilder won’t make you stronger and more athletic, only the magical TBT routine can do that!
So many LULZ HERE!
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
As if training like a bodybuilder won’t make you stronger and more athletic, only the magical TBT routine can do that!
So many LULZ HERE![/quote]
TBT works for mass gain only if you chug horse pop pre/during workout.
Can’t wait for another Waterbury article, whats the hold up T-Nation?
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
As if training like a bodybuilder won’t make you stronger and more athletic, only the magical TBT routine can do that!
So many LULZ HERE![/quote]
So true training like a bodybuilder makes you a pro athlete, look at the time Kevin Levrone dominated Dwain Ch… oh wait nvm.
Hey why not mix TBT AND BODYBUILDING!!!
Monday/Wednesday/Friday!!!
Squat
RDL
Leg Ext
Leg Curl
Bench Press
Incline Dumbell Press
Cable Crossover
Machine Press
Deadlift
DB Row
Lat Pulldown
BB Row
Straight Pulldown
Shoulder Press
Upright Row
Front Raise
Lateral Raise
BB Curl
Incline DB Curl
Preacher Curl
Close Grip Bench
Skulls
Tricep Rope
BADA-BING! BADA-BOOM!!
[quote]BantamRunner wrote:
Hey why not mix TBT AND BODYBUILDING!!!
Monday/Wednesday/Friday!!!
Squat
RDL
Leg Ext
Leg Curl
Bench Press
Incline Dumbell Press
Cable Crossover
Machine Press
Deadlift
DB Row
Lat Pulldown
BB Row
Straight Pulldown
Shoulder Press
Upright Row
Front Raise
Lateral Raise
BB Curl
Incline DB Curl
Preacher Curl
Close Grip Bench
Skulls
Tricep Rope
BADA-BING! BADA-BOOM!![/quote]
This is, as a matter of fact, not all that different from the way Reg Park used to train (for a time)…
And no, I’m not kidding (second routine is even worse):
How I Trained to Win Mr. Universe
by Reg Park
from Health and Strength (1967)
My interest in development was kindled by my grandfather who worked in a coal mine from the age of ten to sixty-five, during which time he had pushed trucks full of coal along tunnels, and in doing so had developed a pair of enormous calves. His calves were so big that I remember my grandmother telling me that when he was in uniform during the 1914-1918 war, when soldiers wore puttees, his calves were so big that people thought he had balloons under his trouser legs. My grandparents had two paintings of an ancient Greek wedding where the man wore a toga and I recall thinking that whilst the groom had wonderful legs, his upper arms were poorly developed.
These memories go back to the time when I was about eight years old, so it is apparent that I was physique conscious at a very early age. At school I reveled in sport, in particular soccer, athletics and gymnastics, but although I possessed an athletic physique, at 16 I was 6 ft. and weighed only 160 lbs., certainly nothing to set the world alight. At the Leeds open-air swimming pool I was constantly aware of fellows who possessed good physiques, and I suppose it was inevitable that sooner or later I would meet someone who for those days possessed an outstanding physique in the person of Dave Cohen. Dave was 5 ft. 8½â?? ins. and weighed 185 lbs. with 16½ in. upper arms, a 47 in. chest, 26 in. thighs and a 32 in. waist. It turned out that Dave trained with weights in a room in his friendâ??s house, and when I asked if I could join him, he readily said yes.
I started weight training in about August/September 1945, and trained in a haphazard kind of way until April 1946, and from then until July 1946 when I was â??called upâ??, I spent my free time at the pool and did very little training. At my army medical in 1946 I was 6 ft. and weighed 180 lbs. In the army I was in the P.T. staff in Malaya, and whilst I had plenty of exercise, only once or twice did I have access to weights.
I was demobbed in July 1948 and weighed 190 lbs. This was about a month before the 1948 Olympics held that year in London, and also the first ever Mr. Universe contest held in London. Naturally, by this time I was an avid reader of the muscle magazines and was therefore familiar with the top bodybuilders who were participating in the contest, namely John Grimek and Steve Reeves. Itâ??s history now that Grimek won the 1948 Mr. Universe with Reeves runner-up.
I recall saying after the contest that one day Iâ??d win the Mr. Universe title, and amongst those present were Oscar Heidenstam and John Barrs, editor of the old Vigor magazine. Iâ??ve often wondered what their thoughts must have been as they listened to a young punk like me boasting that Iâ??d win the Mr. U.
My training started in earnest about September 1948, when I was 20 years of age and weighed 190 lbs. In those days I trained three nights a week and Sunday morning, and if my memory serves me well, my course was something like this:
Incline D.B Press â?? 5 sets of 5 reps
Flat Bench D.B. Press â?? 5x5
Pushups with Press â?? 5 x 10
Standing Barbell Press â?? 5x5
Press Behind Neck â?? 5x5
Standing Two D.B Press â?? 5x5
Chins â?? 5x8
Barbell Row â?? 5x8
D.B. Row â?? 5x8
Barbell Curl â?? 5x8
Incline D.B. Curl â?? 5x8
Central Loading Curl â?? 5x8
Standing D.B. Triceps Curl â?? 5x8
Lying D.B. Triceps Curl â?? 5x8
Triceps on Lat Machine â?? 5x8
Donkey Calf â?? 5 sets
Cross Bench D.B. Pullover â?? 5x8
I donâ??t recall doing any squats in those days, but when I look back I realize that I was doing about 90 sets a workout which Iâ??m sure was far more than any British bodybuilder was doing in 48/49. By March/April 1949 I entered and won the Mr. N.E. Britain, beating the previous national winner, Charlie Jarrett, who was also placed in the 48 Mr. Universe. Not bad for only 7 or 8 months of serious training. At this time I weighed 205 lbs. and my measurements were 48 in. chest and 16½ in. upper arm.
Three weeks before the 1949 Mr. Britain final I trained at Henry Atkinsâ?? gym in Walthamstow, London, during which time I worked calves and thighs (3 sets of 20 reps) superset with pullovers on the Yoga bench, three mornings a week, and trained upper body in the evenings. I ate and drank great quantities of food and liquid, and my bodyweight by the time of the contest was 226 lbs. I drank two pints of diluted concentrated orange juice with glucose and honey mixed in it at every workout.
I won the 1949 Mr. Britain title with Paul Newington second and John Lees third. At that time my chest was about 51 in., arm 18 in. and thigh 26½. In December 1949 my parents gave me the greatest gift I could have had, a six month visit to America. In America I met and trained with many champion bodybuilders, such as Bill Barad, Marvin Eder, Abe Goldberg, Clancy Ross, Floyd Page, Norman Marks, Malcolm Brenner, etc. I also trained at the Weider Barbell Co. and am the first to admit that Weider, Barton Horvath and Charlie Smith all helped me considerably with my training, but Weider made far too many claims about training me, so many that I eventually wrote to him severing all connections with him. This was in April 1952.
I came back to England in May 1952 and decided to enter the Mr. U. which was held early that year in either June or July. In the meantime, York Barbell Co. had persuaded Steve Reeves to represent them at the same Mr. U. and he had gone to York to finalize his training there.
On the day of the contest I weighed in at 215 lbs. and Reeves at 225. Reeves was bigger than I was, but I was terribly muscular, with my legs, torso and arms cut up with definition. Reeves won the contest, but he was a very worried man prior to the announcement, and I recall the then editor of Health and Strength, Johnson, striving to convince him backstage that he had won. When I reflected that with less than two yearsâ?? serious training I had given the very famous Steve Reeves, who had been training at least five years, such a good run for his money, I did not feel too bad, but then and there I was determined that no one would beat me in the 1951 Mr. Universe.
In September 1950 I went back to the States, where I trained hard at Abe Goldbergâ??s gym in New York for the 1950 Americaâ??s Best Developed Man contest, held at St. Nickâ??s Arena in New York. I won this title and with it most of the subdivisions, and in doing so beat such famous bodybuilders as Floyd Page, Al Stephan, Ed Theriault and Al Pavio, who was the current Mr. Canada. From New York I went of to give exhibitions in Montreal, Toronto, Oakland, Los Angeles and Hawaii, returning to England in January 1951.
From January until the Mr. Universe contest I trained regularly, hard and heavy. Regular poundages used in training were sets and reps with over 200 lbs. on the Press and Press Behind Neck, Incline and Flat D.B. Press sets and reps with 2x140 lb. dumbells, Bent Rowing with 250-300 lbs., Incline D.B. Curls with 2x70 lb. dumbells, and 3 sets of 20 reps on the Squat with 320 lbs. My workouts in those days were:
Incline D.B. Press â?? 5x5 with 140 lb. dumbells
Flat Bench D.B. Press â?? 5x5 with 140 lb. dumbells
Pushups
Press Behind Neck â?? 5x5 with 210 lbs.
Press â?? 5x5 with 210 lbs.
Two D.B. Press â?? 5x5 working up to 100 lb. dumbells
Dumbell Lateral â?? 5x8 with 50-60 lb. dumbells
Chins â?? 5x8
Bent Barbell Row â?? 5x8 with 250-300 lbs.
One Arm D.B. Row â?? 5x8 with 100-120 lb. dumbell
Lat Pulldown â?? 5x8
Central Loading Curl â?? 5x8 with 140 lbs.
Incline D.B. Curl â?? 5x8 with 70 lb. dumbells
Barbell Curl â?? 5x8
Lying On Back Two Dumbell Curl â?? 5x8 with 50-60 lb. dumbells
One D.B. Two Arm French Press â?? 5x8
Lying B.B. Triceps Extension â?? 5x8
Triceps Dips or Parallel Bar Dips â?? 5x8
Triceps On Lat Machine â?? 5x8
Donkey Calf On Machine â?? 10x20
Squat â?? 3x20 with 320 lbs.
D.B. Pullover â?? 3x10
My weight went back to 225 lbs. but I possessed a much different physique compared to when I won the Mr. Britain at 226. Now I was proportionate, balanced and more heavily developed.
My eating habits were not difficult. My mother cooked and baked well, and I ate anything and everything, and I was particularly fond of my motherâ??s baking and cups of tea, relying on hard training to use up the carbohydrates. As you know, I won the â??51 Mr. Universe after only three years of serious training.
As with each of the other two occasions when I won the title I was a little flat emotion wise after being announced the winner, and I REALIZED THAT THE EXCITEMENT WAS NOT IN WINNING BUT IN TRAINING TO WIN.
(this is from his official homepage btw)
Thats frickin INSANE! How can anybody do that? Seriously. Heck, once a week is still too much, let alone 3x a week. And I see no leg movements. The guys legs must’ve been really behind his upper body.
Thread saved thanks to CC. How’s your training sir? 5/3/1 or…? (I believe you mentioned that you are doing something different).
[quote]forbes wrote:
Thats frickin INSANE! How can anybody do that? Seriously. Heck, once a week is still too much, let alone 3x a week. And I see no leg movements. The guys legs must’ve been really behind his upper body.[/quote]
He did 2 at the end of his second routine…
FWIW he did not always train full-body… Apparently he eventually went over to the Arnold-camp and split his body up 2 or 3 ways… And ditched chest training because his chest had grown too large.
And let’s not forget: All that on a diet consisting mostly of carbs.
Always hilarious to me when people go on about their golden-age heroes and how their full-body routines were oh so much better for natties, and how we haven’t gotten better in diet/training etc… Bwahahaha.
The most hilarious part: Modern authors keep inventing full-body routines and saying that those match what guys like park used… Something like Barbell Curl, OHP, Squat, Bench, Pull-ups, SLDL’s, the end.
Yeah, as we can see, Park did exactly that… And then 20 other exercises for good measure…
If he’d been born in the 80’s or 90’s, and using modern dietary principles and routines, he would stand on the drug-free stage at 240 and ten times more shredded than he used to be back in the day… And probably stand at 280+ shredded on the olympia stage if he were using.
You got to consider that this guy practically shot himself in the foot with his diet and training most of the time, what the fuck kind of genetics must he have to still be able to get to the size he was plus somewhat decent strength for his size (at least on pushing exercises)?
Geez… That dude probably had better genetics for sheer size and strength than most of the modern Olympia guys, but probably not for the aesthetics…
Also interesting: Look at old competition pics, for example in Arnolds New Encyclopedia of BBing… When the winners were announced etc… You have like 50 guys standing in the background in some shots, all pretty much training similar to the way Park and Arnold etc trained… And eating the same way… And looking like total beginners, as if they’d been training for 4-6 months only or something.
So much for the greatness of the old routines and diets and how well they supposedly work for all the drug-free people. No wonder nobody does shit like that anymore, safe a few guys who have the genetics for it or who actually eat like men.
[quote]Charged wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
As if training like a bodybuilder won’t make you stronger and more athletic, only the magical TBT routine can do that!
So many LULZ HERE![/quote]
So true training like a bodybuilder makes you a pro athlete, look at the time Kevin Levrone dominated Dwain Ch… oh wait nvm.[/quote]
Charged, bodybuilders are very athletic. Kevin also outweighed him by 60 lbs or so.
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
[quote]Charged wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
As if training like a bodybuilder won’t make you stronger and more athletic, only the magical TBT routine can do that!
So many LULZ HERE![/quote]
So true training like a bodybuilder makes you a pro athlete, look at the time Kevin Levrone dominated Dwain Ch… oh wait nvm.[/quote]
Charged, bodybuilders are very athletic. Kevin also outweighed him by 60 lbs or so. [/quote]
Nonsense. Chambers won because he trained full-body!
All sprinters are fast because they do full-body training!
Isn’t that totally obvious? Look at Reg Park! He did full-body up to 4 times a week, with some 20 movements per session! He would have left Chambers in the Dust and run the distance in 2.25 seconds, because he did MORE full-body than Chambers!
…
You guys are missing the point, why would I train like a bodybuilder to be like an athlete? Why train like Ronnie Coleman when I want to be like GSP?
If Linford Christie trained with TBT instead of splits, he’d have undoubtedly been a more successful sprinter. All that pesky mass slowed him down. Not content with sabotaging his own career, he became a coach and trained a new generation of Olympic sprinters using idiotic splits.
Just think how much further they’d have gone if they’d all just accepted that TBT is supposedly better than split routines for developing athletic ability…because natural aptitude and sports specific training have nothing to do with it, obviously.