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CBD Use and Are Anti-Depressants, Worth It?


#21

No offense but this sounds fake. Any more details to give out on that?

@random8889

Any sources backing that up? Just curious. I know several people, actually, lots, who have noticed no negative effects and feel that they’ve been extremely helpful. And I’ve never really heard anything bad about them as far as the general public goes.

@on_edge

Thanks for the info. Have you found anything that does help with your foot pain? My mom’s the one with plantar fascitiis and she’s talked to her doctor, chiropractor, and I’ve gone through all the forums on here addressing it, and so far we haven’t found anything that really helps.

@flappinit

That was really well written. If you don’t mind me asking, what’s your education? Like did you go to college or anything? It doesn’t really matter but you just always seem quite knowledgable and sensible, and well spoken.


#22

Yes myself, everyone is different but if you react bad it is not good, when I tried them they stopped me from ejaculating being 19 that kinda pisses you off, I use Pregabalin now for anxiety though it can be used as an anti depressant.

My friend used the same thing he was on 4x higher dose than me and he really went on a bad patch after stopping it and kept talking about killing himself

Unfortunately though if you are in the UK you have to try some other medications before they will give you pregabalin.


#23

I went to college for social work/clinical substance abuse counselor, ended up leaving and joining the Marines (hence the sore spot about solving depression by joining the military). I’m not an expert, I just know a thing or two about treatments and various different drugs.
I also personally know several people with long term depression who used AD’s and benefited greatly from them. Again, they’re not for everyone, and I’m sure too many people are taking them right now, I just find it funny how many people on this site shit all over doctors while diagnosing and treating people over the internet with no formal training.
Have you begun taking the AD’s? Let us know if it helps and keep us updated.


#24

Orthotics from a podiatrist are the most helpful thing for my plantar fascia. The down side is they are expensive AF and, for me, they are bad for my hips so I can’t be on orthotics long term.

Plantar Fascia taping with Kinesio tape helps. I do the classic tape method you can find on YouTube plus I add a strip of tape horseshoeing around the base of my foot. For the strip on the bottom of my foot and the strip around the side, I maximally stretch the tape across the arch. The down side is it’s a pain in the ass to do everyday and initially it takes a little practice.

Rest.


#25

It isnt fake i was hardcore depressed, I quit drugs (real drugs) got on a plane to Israel in 2008 and 6 months later i was in the army(theres a good 10 years where i dint post here). Maybe your just too weak to understand it.
I still live here and every year spend a good three weeks back in the army.


#26

Good for you - that’s an inspiring story and I’m legitimately glad you turned your life around that way. I just think this is an issue, once again, of short term vs long term depression. Doing drugs leaves you constantly depressed and depleted of neurotransmitters. I should know, I used to do lots of coke and various other things. You can be depressed for a long period of time due to drugs without it being attributed to a permanent chemical imbalance in your brain that exists regardless of your bad habits. What the OP has SEEMS different - I have NO real idea if he’s experiencing true clinical depression or not, and I hope he isn’t.

I had terrible tendonitis in my early teens and after a few years of wearing orthotics in my shoes, my arch was corrected and I no longer have horrible heel and tendon pain. A podiatrist is a foot doctor for a reason, go see one if you can.


#27

your partially right, its a chicken or egg thing though. I also did blow and speed etc, did the depression push the drugs and they perpetuated it? or did they start it? mostly the first one.
You know that the chemical imbalance thing is just a hypothesis right and there is literally no proof of it (and no its not like gravity where its a theory without proof). The only thing people call evidence is the fact that severly depressed people get better with AD drugs, but that doesnt prove anything, aspirin cures headaches so lack of aspirin causes them? Check its really quackery to sell hardcore drugs, most AD drugs are akin to mdma.


#28

Antidepressants aren’t akin to mdma, ADHD drugs are- they’re stimulants, namely amphetamines.

There isn’t literally no proof of chemical imbalances, but there IS proof that there are a ton of other circumstances and factors that contribute to depression besides depleted levels of chemicals, so you’re correct to point that out for sure.


#29

MDMA is methyl​enedioxy​methamphetamine and it is classified as a stimulant in the same category as amphetamines and is based on amphetamines. It hardocre boosts you serotonin difference between mdma and SSRI is that mdma does it alot quicker and to a much higher degree. Its also way more damaging even at lower doses, but they essentially do the same. Boost some neurotransmitters and block reuptake of others.


#30

I know. I meant that ADHD medications are amphetamines, not antidepressants. Amphetamines and SSRIs are distinctly different drugs and there are warnings against taking them together. They can have similar effects but often have the completely opposite one.


#31

@flappinit

Think I’m on my eighth day today. Not expecting (nor should I, according to the doc) to feel a difference for 4-6 weeks. Didn’t experience the nausea/dizziness I was warned I might feel for the first 2-3 days though, so that’s nice.

Never personally done coke - “uppers” aren’t really my thing, but man isn’t that an expensive habit? It’s not really big around where I live but it just seems tough to keep up with.

Agree with that for sure. I believe my childhood experiences and surroundings have played a big part in my issues.

Will update on the meds in a while.

@on_edge

Thanks for that - we’ll have to look into the orthotics. I’ll check out the tape too.

@Merkava4

No disrespect intended - it just seemed kinda vague at first so I wasn’t sure about it. But congrats on your recovery man I’m glad you were able to fix it on your own.

But on a side note, since neither of us know each other, I’m not taking this to heart at all, but

is probably one of the worst things to say to someone who may actually be quite depressed. For your future reference.

@random8889

Sorry about your friend. Did he ever get it figured out?

I can still ejaculate so yay for that. Will have to talk to the doc if that ever becomes an issue.


#32

Lift yourself up and drag yourself out of it. I dont care if you think its the worst thing or it isnt PC, your responsible and you need to fix yourself.


#33

It sure is. It’s a horrible habit too. Drug addicts are incredibly innovative and resourceful people. We find ways to get money. You just have to give up more and more of your self respect to keep it up, until one day you have none left.


#34

Aaaaand now I’m confident you’ve never been clinically depressed. No one who has, thinks this way let alone says shit like that.


#35

@Californiagrown I disagree. I’ve been there. Maybe “drag yourself out” isn’t the right phrasing, but it is 100% about taking responsibility and doing what you can to make yourself better and happier until you get there. @jshaving is already showing that initiative by making this thread and reaching out.


#36

He’s fine now, his serotonin came back but he just stayed in and slept all day lol


#37

Forcing and reinforcing a change in behavior is the easiest way to change your mindset. Clean your room, stand up straight with you shoulders back and smile, no matter how you feel, and things will get easier. Take it one day at a time and you will eventually create a positive feedback loop and literally change the way you feel.
OP is taking a step and that is good, you need to take thee steps everyday and reinforce them even though theres no direct measurable gain, it works out in the end.


#38

Kinda impossible to do when you can’t even force yourself out of bed for days or weeks, not really care about getting better.


#39

YES YOU CAN force yourself to do anything.


#40

@Californiagrown it sounds like you may have experienced a deeper level of learned helplessness than @Merkava4 did.