To me, there’s a health trade off that I don’t want to make in exchange for what might be needed to make the push for abnormal.
Why should carbs post workout be detrimental to your health?
I don’t like the way I feel when I hit the carbs/sugar hard.
And I don’t think the huge spike in blood sugar and subsequently, insulin, is natural/normal/healthy. This is not to say that it’s not the appropriate choice for putting on the “upper levels” of mass. However, this is probably quite stressful to the body. I also never quite got on with the instant refilling of glycogen store thing. I’ve never “hit the wall” during a workout, even with less than full glycogen stores. So I don’t know why I need to refill them immediately and not naturally.
I just think a muscular physique is attainable without it, in near the same amount of time, at least to a certain level of bodymass/height. For example, I don’t have any problem getting up to 195lbs at 5’10 without protein shakes and carbs. At this point I’m just eating maintenance, and putting on muscle pretty slowly (inadvertently, as I get stronger). This is fine for me, and I think its fine for anyone looking to attain a muscular and athletic physique.
And yes, fruits and meats will have some effect on insulin, but not the same as simple sugars.
I realize that my opinions are different than the norm on here, and that many of you guys have done very well for yourselves following the advices of Berardi and others. Just wanted to give the OP another take on things. Good luck.
Hey whatever works for you man.
But it isn’t unhealthy at all. Insulin opens the “doors” to the muscle cells. Ie: the membranes allow all the nutrients available to be shuttled into the cells. So that’s why you want the carbs, high GI low sugar, like maltodextrin, etc, to be combined with your creatine, bcaa’s and/or whey isolate during this temporary “window” of opportunity directly after a strenuous workout.
If you hadn't worked out hard then it probably would be unhealthy to a point, because the muscle cells won't be depleted of glucose, and it will instead be directed to liver and fat storage. So, you will just put on fat, since most likely your liver will be fairly full as well.
Take an anatomy/physiology class and you will understand this better.
Thanks for trying to clear that up, but I’ve taken some bio/physio, and to my knowledge, there will still be the same amount of insulin secretion whether or not you just worked out. So to the pancreas, isn’t it the same amount of work for the pancreatic beta cells?
I’m not talking about fat storage here (this is a given, why would you want carbs that weren’t even going to go to muscle stores), only about insulin production, beta cell degeneration, and oxidative stress.
Maybe you know something I don’t. Is there some sort of beta cell degeneration inhibition because of the previous bout of exercise?
I also don’t like the feeling of blood sugar swings, hunger pangs, etc.
Someway, somehow, nutrients seem to be sneaking their way into my muscle cells. This makes sense to me. Why would I need something that I can’t find in the wild in order to be muscular? Paleolithic humans were quite powerfully built.
This was not the topic in question, but I also practice intermittent fasting regularly (and work out fasted most of the time). Maybe this is increasing my insulin sensitivity to the protein and fruit?