[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]BeginnerBrah wrote:
I am not that well versed in nutrition and am still learning, but it seems to me fat lazy people like to use carbohydrate as a bogeyman for why they are fat.
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The truth is eating more calories than they worked off, for long periods of time made them fat. Lack of exercise made them fat and it is the idea of diets where you can eat more and lose weight, or cut carbs and lose weight rather than kill yourself in the gym which are a cause for well meaning fat people in the gym giving up. [/quote]
What are the pathways for lipogenesis?
Is the body’s response to fat calories the same as its response to the same amount of carbohydrate calories?[/quote]
I lost over four stone by eating a high carbohydrate diet and working my ass off. Did my body respond to me just using common sense and eating less than I burnt off or does my body have special carbohydrate defeating powers. People will use scientific arguments all day long, not do cardio because it burns muscle, not workout hard because it is over training, follow some restrictive diet because some study done on rats shows something.
I lost tonnes of body fat and gained muscle on a high carbohydrate diet and calorie deficit. So no matter how the body responds to fat or carbohydrate, it seems that working hard, eating a balanced diet and keeping to a routine is very, very effective.
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Just because something worked for you doesn’t mean it’s the ideal approach for most people or even necessarily that it was ideal approach for you, despite your success. Most people will experience VERY different body composition results from eating 3000cal/day of fish, meat and green vegetables than they will from eating an equivalent quantity of refined carbohydrates, even if activity levels remain constant.
This is fairly easy to prove on an individual level. I love exercise, but it’s a small part of the fat loss picture. Most people could achieve a healthy body weight simply by eating well and walking briskly for 30mins/day. A low carb, or at least controlled carb approach will allow most people get most of the body composition results they want with relatively minimal effort, in the physical sense.
Arguing (as you do in your earlier post) that most people on sites dedicated to this or that diet are fat (which is true) ergo this or that diet doesn’t work is like arguing that most people on weightlifting sites are small are weak (which is true) ergo weightlifting doesn’t work. The obvious reason for this, IMO, is that fat people gravitate toward dieting the way small, weak people gravitate toward lifting.[/quote]
Hey man I think you misunderstood my point. I think doing a low carbohydrate, paleo or ketogenic diet can be great, for an already fit and relatively lean person looking to have that lean slim athletic body. My only criticism was that these diets can become crutches for fat people to blame their own current body and health problems on for not eliminating a certain macro nutrient sooner and fat people can lose a fair bit of weight on them and never get fitter, in my own personal opinion this leads to them never getting in better shape so that they can keep driving towards a healthier and fitter body and it also in my view does not build up a mental toughness that guarantees you will stick with a routine and healthy lifestyle forever like eating a balanced high carb diet and working out like a beast does.
That is not an attack on the diets and the people who follow them, just something I as a former obese person seemed to pick up from those circles. Obviously i compressed and generalized to reinforce the point. I apologize if that offended you, that was not my intention.
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No offense taken at all. Doesn’t make a difference to me one way or the other really. It’s just my opinion that the average overweight person will be more successful eating a lower carb, “paleo-ish” diet while gradually incorporating moderate amounts of physical activity than they will eating a higher carb diet and “working out like a beast” to try to burn it all off. I would actually say that a heavier person will get more immediate benefit from a lower carb diet than the already fit relatively lean person you describe. Actually, I would say fit, lean guy could probably get away from eating a more carb-dominant “balanced” diet in order to support the more intense workouts he would be capable of, if he were so inclined. Leaner fitter guy is also probably better set up hormonally to tolerate and make appropriate use of the carbs he eats.
I don’t mean to sound argumentative at all, and I apologize if I did. Like I said, it doesn’t make much difference to me what anyone else eats. Just offering an opinion for the sake of discussion. FTR I somewhat agree with what you’re saying about how adopting this or that diet/fitness fad willy nilly is detrimental to people’s long term success. However I fell that is more of a commentary on people than the “fad” itself.
