Capitalism: A Love Story

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]SickAbs wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]SickAbs wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Rookie21 wrote:
I don’t know if i’d say moore is tortously manipulative. It is obviously a one sided story as are most documentaries. Although personally I’d never been a fan of the whole capitalism ideal, mind you it’s not really capitalism either when you bail out companies. I guess I’ve just always been of the “how many fucking cars do you need” mentality. [/quote]

The first thing you need to realize is that capitalism is not about need. I only need 1 car but if I’m talented, skilled, motivated, driven and ambitious enough to earn enough money to buy 5 cars, why shouldn’t I? [/quote]

Because more often than not (waaaay more often) things are done corruptly and to the detriment of others. I.E screwing families over for commissions etc. Ive worked with kids who, at the age of 22, were rich. I mean 4 cars, properties, brieghtling(?) watches etc. They fucked people over with mortgage refinancing etc. Think about the movie boiler room. Capitalism is hard because of greed. If greed didnt exist then there would be no problems. Look at goldman sachs’ “Fabolous” Fabrice. That guy is heartless. Selling stock he knew was crap to widows and families. Too much of this happens everyday.[/quote]

That’s not capitalism. That is people committing crimes outside of the capitalist system.

And I’d like to see some support that most wealthy people have acquired such wealth by being corrupt and to the detriment of others. That’s simply not true.
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Read the paper/ look at the news? Didnt wall street corruption cripple our economy and destroy Greece’s? Look, I’m obviously a cog in the capitalistic system. I buy $250 sunglasses, armani exchange everything etc. You earn it, you buy it. I like that, but given the opportunity the majority of people would do something illegal to make goobs of money. Look at our politicians for fucks sake. You got Rob blagoyavich trying to sell senate seats! You got people hiring illegal immigrants to capitalize on property investments. I know the last one first hand. Flipping properties and hiring illegals for dirt cheap to make a huge profit. Im only 24 but I know the game. Shit you got people at gnc selling old people No Explode because they get an extra $4 commission. [/quote]

I think it’s because you read the paper/look at the news that you feel this way. The main stream media is complete crap.

I’d elaborate but I actually have work to do today. :confused:
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The main stream media doesnt do enough to highlight everything that happens! Did you see when the top CEO’s etc for goldman sachs were at the congressional hearing? Those guys have ruined millions of lives. But ask anyone if they would trade lives with some of them. When I was a teenager I saw boiler room and I aspired to be a crook stock broker, even though they screwed over families because they pulled up in fucking lamborghini’s. Ask me now if I’d screw over an innocent family for a lambo…i’d have to think about it.

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[quote]SickAbs wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]SickAbs wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]SickAbs wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Rookie21 wrote:
I don’t know if i’d say moore is tortously manipulative. It is obviously a one sided story as are most documentaries. Although personally I’d never been a fan of the whole capitalism ideal, mind you it’s not really capitalism either when you bail out companies. I guess I’ve just always been of the “how many fucking cars do you need” mentality. [/quote]

The first thing you need to realize is that capitalism is not about need. I only need 1 car but if I’m talented, skilled, motivated, driven and ambitious enough to earn enough money to buy 5 cars, why shouldn’t I? [/quote]

Because more often than not (waaaay more often) things are done corruptly and to the detriment of others. I.E screwing families over for commissions etc. Ive worked with kids who, at the age of 22, were rich. I mean 4 cars, properties, brieghtling(?) watches etc. They fucked people over with mortgage refinancing etc. Think about the movie boiler room. Capitalism is hard because of greed. If greed didnt exist then there would be no problems. Look at goldman sachs’ “Fabolous” Fabrice. That guy is heartless. Selling stock he knew was crap to widows and families. Too much of this happens everyday.[/quote]

That’s not capitalism. That is people committing crimes outside of the capitalist system.

And I’d like to see some support that most wealthy people have acquired such wealth by being corrupt and to the detriment of others. That’s simply not true.
[/quote]

Read the paper/ look at the news? Didnt wall street corruption cripple our economy and destroy Greece’s? Look, I’m obviously a cog in the capitalistic system. I buy $250 sunglasses, armani exchange everything etc. You earn it, you buy it. I like that, but given the opportunity the majority of people would do something illegal to make goobs of money. Look at our politicians for fucks sake. You got Rob blagoyavich trying to sell senate seats! You got people hiring illegal immigrants to capitalize on property investments. I know the last one first hand. Flipping properties and hiring illegals for dirt cheap to make a huge profit. Im only 24 but I know the game. Shit you got people at gnc selling old people No Explode because they get an extra $4 commission. [/quote]

I think it’s because you read the paper/look at the news that you feel this way. The main stream media is complete crap.

I’d elaborate but I actually have work to do today. :confused:
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The main stream media doesnt do enough to highlight everything that happens! Did you see when the top CEO’s etc for goldman sachs were at the congressional hearing? Those guys have ruined millions of lives. But ask anyone if they would trade lives with some of them. When I was a teenager I saw boiler room and I aspired to be a crook stock broker, even though they screwed over families because they pulled up in fucking lamborghini’s. Ask me now if I’d screw over an innocent family for a lambo…i’d have to think about it.[/quote]

The answer to that question should be no, with no hesitation.

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[quote]SickAbs wrote:
If greed didnt exist then there would be no problems. [/quote]

If greed didn’t exist we would all be dead or under control by someone else. It’s part of our survival instict, and when that is gone, we die.

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[quote]SickAbs wrote:

Thats actually quite the burn. I wish, with every part of my being, that I lived in Cali. I’m extremely jealous of you. Not being sarcastic in the least. The girl i’ve been hooking up with (B.D.D thread) just moved here from Cali 4-5 months ago. She keeps telling me thats where I belong.[/quote]

Kids and their keyboards…

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]SickAbs wrote:

Thats actually quite the burn. I wish, with every part of my being, that I lived in Cali. I’m extremely jealous of you. Not being sarcastic in the least. The girl i’ve been hooking up with (B.D.D thread) just moved here from Cali 4-5 months ago. She keeps telling me thats where I belong.[/quote]

Kids and their keyboards…[/quote]

This is definitely PWI material

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Yeah let me rage against capitalism on my computer.

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[quote]SickAbs wrote:
Ask me now if I’d screw over an innocent family for a lambo…i’d have to think about it.[/quote]

This question is impossible to answer without knowing the nationality of the family!

If they’re Irish, I say fuk 'em!

Also what color is their hair???

If they’re Gingers I would do it for free!!!

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[quote]Rookie21 wrote:
Wanted to watch this for the longest time, finally just saw it and holy shit. I didn’t think it was possible to hate businessmen and politicians anymore then i already did.[/quote]

I haven’t seen it , but there has to be a smidgend of truth to it

It is about as long as a movie , I think it is great . I am a business man have been for over 20 years , i am very pro business , just not SUPER BIG BUSINESS. This gives you an honest summary of the metamorphisis that corps. have made over history. Blows a BIG hole in how the FREE MARKET PEOPLE say socialism has made assaults on the free market.

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]SickAbs wrote:
If greed didnt exist then there would be no problems. [/quote]

If greed didn’t exist we would all be dead or under control by someone else. It’s part of our survival instict, and when that is gone, we die.
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HOOOOOOOEY :slight_smile: All sucessful animals are social . Name one animal that is not social and is thriving . OH I forgot Dinosaurs :slight_smile: (Reptiles ) get it

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[quote]John S. wrote:
Yeah let me rage against capitalism on my computer.
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Big business is not nessarily Capitalism . Is theft considered Capitalism ? Seriously

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:
Yeah let me rage against capitalism on my computer.
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Big business is not nessarily Capitalism . Is theft considered Capitalism ? Seriously[/quote]

Businesses get big one of 2 ways, either through government manipulation of the market(bad) or they are really good at what they do(good). Ill let you guess which one commits theft.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
i am very pro business , just not SUPER BIG BUSINESS. This gives you an honest summary of the metamorphisis that corps. have made over history. Blows a BIG hole in how the FREE MARKET PEOPLE say socialism has made assaults on the free market.[/quote]

I got news for you bud, big business and big government are like peanut butter and jelly. You ought to take up your problem of, “SUPER BIG BUSINESS” with the nanny state. It ain’t helping your cause.

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Moore should have cracked a book on Austrian economics before he made another emotional, from the heart, documentary. It was a good documentary, but not even he knew what the premise was. Which is : Regulation and Laws and Big Brother create monopolies, create ponzi schemes, create the travesties that are becoming our financial system. Should have been titled “Corporatism: A love Story” .

No system can harness man’s greed and selfishness better than Capitalism can.

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[quote]THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:

Moore should have cracked a book on Austrian economics before he made another emotional, from the heart, documentary. It was a good documentary, but not even he knew what the premise was. Which is : Regulation and Laws and Big Brother create monopolies, create ponzi schemes, create the travesties that are becoming our financial system. Should have been titled “Corporatism: A love Story” .

No system can harness man’s greed and selfishness better than Capitalism can.
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Yep. And its a crying shame that people don’t see that and use the government as a weapon.

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[quote]Dabba wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
i am very pro business , just not SUPER BIG BUSINESS. This gives you an honest summary of the metamorphisis that corps. have made over history. Blows a BIG hole in how the FREE MARKET PEOPLE say socialism has made assaults on the free market.[/quote]

I got news for you bud, big business and big government are like peanut butter and jelly. You ought to take up your problem of, “SUPER BIG BUSINESS” with the nanny state. It ain’t helping your cause.[/quote]

we agree, I am not for big Government, If I were king of america government would be alot smaller and not JUST anti social programs

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[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:
Yeah let me rage against capitalism on my computer.
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Big business is not nessarily Capitalism . Is theft considered Capitalism ? Seriously[/quote]

Businesses get big one of 2 ways, either through government manipulation of the market(bad) or they are really good at what they do(good). Ill let you guess which one commits theft.[/quote]

I think you give big govenment too much credit. Big Business learns to exploit markets , it is their nature , governments have to make sure these exploitations are not criminal even in the broadest sense

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[quote]THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:

No system can harness man’s greed and selfishness better than Capitalism can.
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Aint that the truth…

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I think you give big govenment too much credit. Big Business learns to exploit markets , it is their nature , governments have to make sure these exploitations are not criminal even in the broadest sense [/quote]

When government gets involved the polititicans get bought off then your big business turns into a monopoly.

Business only gets big if it is good at what it does, if it oversteps its bounds to the point that people get pissed off they will stop buying from them and they will get wiped out of the market. What government does is save businesses. The free market would have gotten rid of Goldman sachs, guess who saved it.

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[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I think you give big govenment too much credit. Big Business learns to exploit markets , it is their nature , governments have to make sure these exploitations are not criminal even in the broadest sense [/quote]

When government gets involved the polititicans get bought off then your big business turns into a monopoly.

Business only gets big if it is good at what it does, if it oversteps its bounds to the point that people get pissed off they will stop buying from them and they will get wiped out of the market. What government does is save businesses. The free market would have gotten rid of Goldman sachs, guess who saved it.[/quote].

walmart and mcDonalds did not buy any one off, they started our fair enough, but now they are exploiting America’s cheap labor . It is not their fault but it is factual all the same. Starting with illegal immigration

we agree with goldman sachs . IMO we need regulations . that if you are a bank and can invest 10 times your deposits then you can not play the stock market . And if you want to play the stock market ,you play with the money you have on hand .If we separated the banks from Insurance companies from the stock brokers then America would have no problem. right now they all have their fingers in all the pots

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

walmart and mcDonalds did not buy any one off, they started our fair enough, but now they are exploiting America’s cheap labor . It is not their fault but it is factual all the same. Starting with illegal immigration

we agree with goldman sachs . IMO we need regulations . that if you are a bank and can invest 10 times your deposits then you can not play the stock market . And if you want to play the stock market ,you play with the money you have on hand .If we separated the banks from Insurance companies from the stock brokers then America would have no problem. right now they all have their fingers in all the pots [/quote]

Wal-mart was a big supporter of NAFTA. They bought and paid for politicians but I wouldn’t worry to much about wal-mart they are going to get what is coming to them. Mcdonalds is there for high school/college kids so they really are not exploiting anything. I’ll give you the illegal immigration, one of the Federal governments few jobs is to secure the border.

To get rid of the banking problem get rid of the Federal reserve, Glass stegal is not coming back nor should it. The problem we are experiencing today Jefferson talked about back in early 1800.