[quote]Action jackson wrote:
Here’s the thing, I’m not trying to get huge. More just to add a little mass and get cut up.
I’m already in pretty good shape.
Everyone keeps telling me to try test, because its so important to know for future cycles, but I dont really want to start doing a lot of cycles…
What I really want is to do a relatively easy, low-side cycle that will give me some gains that I can maintain without drugs.
I don’t want to get huge and bloated and have people around me know that Im on steroids.
Now that I hear that test in doses as low as 250mg/week can cause gyno, that really scares me!!! Plus Im pretty sure that I would probably get a bad case of acne from it also and possibly some hair loss. (Not worth it to me).
As for propionate, I am really not very excited about injecting EOD for 10 weeks as I have never been on a cycle before.
So what do ya think? Would EQ be something close to what I’m looking for?? Or maybe Deca?? Would it be better stacked with proviron or test or something else.
How much arimidex should I look at purchasing for a 10 week cycle? 10 tabs? 50 tabs?
Also the source I was looking at does not have needles, so where do you get the needles from and how many would I need for a 10 week cycle???
Thanks soo much, I was really not expecting the number of response i’ve gotten and they have all been very helpful!
OK let me preface this post with the statement that i dont think you should use steroids… your goals aren’t really warranting the use of hardcore performance enhancement… y’know? Is it even worth it? I can virtually guarantee you that you wont just do one cycle either… because not one single motherfucking person gets massive from one or two cycles. It takes years still!
So with that in mind, your goals may be realised in a few cycles… but highly unlikely just one. And for the most part - being on AAS is nice.
But… in response to your posts.
There are not any steroids that are side effect free… it is a given. The closest you will get is primobolan depot under 400mg/wk which i dont think is too bad a suggestion, although it is gonna cost a small fortune to run that for the 10-12 weeks necessary.
Or Anavar, which again is very expensive and also produces little muscular gains at all. It is usually used to increase strength or to retain muscle while on a caloric deficit. Both are often employed for shows, but many of the drugs that suit your goals will be due to wanting to keep gains and water bloat being directly related.
Now… Deca is one of the safer steroids, but recovery is a little harder… i believe i have given you a full rundown on Deca PCT and cycle construction in a post above, it isnt totally necessary in order to recover from one’s first cycle IME, but prudent to be prepared. I have been very seriously shutdown over a very prolonged period from deca use.
Eq may be a good option, IME it doesn’t put on anywhere near the size deca does (dont assume this is too much size, its not) but it is less suppressive apparently, and you will not need arimidex, although nolvadex and proviron will be used… the proviron helping with wood and aromatase, and the Nolva used ‘in case’ - i have never heard of anyone getting gyno from eq alone… but i am assuming you are sensitive.
A low dose test will give good size, strength AND psych benefits. your skin may become oily (mine does on deca too BTW) which can lead to spots (i dont suffer if i shower daily and use oil fighting wipes but i am not prone either), you are unlikely to have any prostate issues unless you do already, if you are concerned about hair loss you can use proscar, adex will need to be used for estrogen control, i personally used to assume i would need the maximum dose of anti estrogen, and made sure i had enough for that - back when i had less experience with cycling… so assume 1mg ED. that is 70mg…
you say you want gains that you can maintain - well, the drugs that are best at that tend to be the ones that A) don’t aromatized B) dont suppress TOO much C) are not big builders
so you are looking at anavar, winstrol, primobolan, equipoise, masteron etc… for those who are a little more experienced with AAS, PCT and ancillaries most gains will be kept from Deca and Test too…
One of my first injectable cycles was deca and proviron. I gained well, i kept a lot and any losses were a direct result of my lifestyle, not the drug or recovery issues.
I didn’t have any recovery problems and used the 40/40/20/20 nolvadex protocol with success… the second deca cycle isnt the same story fyi.
In a nutshell, Test will need a number of ancillary drugs to make sure any sides are minimized, but you will be unlucky to get many sides from such a dose - you are not going to lose all of your hair from one low dose cycle.
Deca is a good choice… but use proviron with it, (preferably testosterone) and make sure you use HCG throughout the cycle. There is a thorough PCT in a post above, but a 6 week nolva plan would suffice this time only IMPE.
Eq will produce decent results, but may cause spots too. you should use proviron and have nolva on hand… again, you would be unlucky to get gyno sides from that drug.
All the advice is based on my own results and experiences, and with the information i have collected over time - you may react totally differently to the drugs you use than i or others can. Be aware of that.
At the end of the day, YOU need to decide what you actually want… and you have to read up on the different AAS available to you and then make the correct choice.
Have you tried Creatine, HMB, Ribose, BCAA’s and increasing protein to 2.5mg/lb and if flabby cutting carbs or if skinny adding carbs??