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Canada's Risk to Health and Freedom

Bill C-51 is putting your Constitutional Rights at risk.

It’s a proposed new law that favours big pharmaceutical companies and removes your right to Natural Health Products.

If passed it will:

  • Outlaw nearly all Natural Health Products
  • Criminalize the use of herbs
  • Favour drug & medical treatments
  • Ignore your Constitutional Rights

Shouldn’t it be your right to choose your health products and therapies?

Please visit www.stopc51.com to learn all the fact about Bill C-51.

Some may claim Bill C-51 as consumer protection agains Snake Oil.

Natural health products (NHPs) are defined as: vitamins and minerals, herbal remedies, homeopathic medicines, traditional medicines such as Traditional Chinese Medicines, probiotics, and other products like amino acids and essential fatty acids.

If you want to know what might happen, just look at European Union and it’s draconian laws, especially Germany and Norway where similar consumer protection laws are in effect.

In those countries, Vitamin C above 200 mg is illegal, as is vitamin E above 45 IU, vitamin B1 over 2.4 mg and so on.

In Norway, a pharmaceutical giant now controls an Echinacea tincture, which is being sold as an over the counter drug at inflated prices (about $50 vs $4). The same is true of ginkgo and many other herbs.

Some may have no problem with doctors overseeing and writing prescriptions for supplements and NHP which are now available over the counter.

Isn’t Canada experiencing a serious shortage of doctors already?

What will be the cost of those supplements and NHP?

Fellow Canadians, I urge you to take action, it’s not too late.

Become educated, visit the following sites for more information:

http://www.stopc51.com

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/...1.html?ref=rss

Please talk to you family, friends and local media before it’s too late. Sign a petition, write a letter to your Member of Parliment, postage is free.

On April 8th, 2008 Bill C-51 was introduced into the House Of Commons. This bill has already passed second reading. Bills normally take months to pass not weeks. It appears that our Government is trying to fast track this bill before anyone has a chance to challenge it.

American and Mexican friends Bill C-51 may not affect you directly, but it’s Big Brother Codex Alimentarius will

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=451097355502728465&q=We Become Silent&total=275&start=0&num=50&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Canadians will be undermined since laws will be passed behind closed doors. It’s the Pharmaceutical Drugs not Natural Health Products that are the leading cause of death in North America.

More here: http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2147575

I have spent most of the last year helping companies get supplements licenced. It is actually pretty easy to get most supplements licenced. Please have a look at NHP guidelines before you jump to unreasonable conclusions.

as for these comments:

If passed it will:

  • Outlaw nearly all Natural Health Products
  • Criminalize the use of herbs
  • Favour drug & medical treatments
  • Ignore your Constitutional Rights

they are absolutely ludicrous. The only herbs that will be criminalized are ones that are brought into the country and sold without proper testing, labeling, and paper trails for recalls. Thus they are ‘criminalized’ because someone has to break the law to sell them to you.

Drug and medical treatments are favored because people ask for them both implicitly and explicitly.

Constitutional rights can only be over-ruled by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Get a clue before you go on a rant or witch hunt.

If you believe that the proposed legislation has the ability to seriously change the supplements you can buy, then show how, because right now you are crying wolf. You have been hosed by some bee pollen eating hippy.

[quote]Peter Orban wrote:

Drug and medical treatments are favored because people ask for them both implicitly and explicitly.

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Bullshit. people don’t ask, they are told. Given a choice, most intelligent individuals would choose natural therapeutics that are safer and often just as effective.

thank you stephen harper for another piece of retarded legislation

getting really fed up with this conservative party (live in ontario)

[quote]Peter Orban wrote:
Constitutional rights can only be over-ruled by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Get a clue before you go on a rant or witch hunt.

If you believe that the proposed legislation has the ability to seriously change the supplements you can buy, then show how, because right now you are crying wolf. You have been hosed by some bee pollen eating hippy.[/quote]

Our Constitutional Rights is what this is all about.

As it stands right now, for an amendment to be passed into law in Canada it must first successfully navigate three readings in the House of Commons, and three readings before the Senate.

Regulations need only be published twice before becoming law, and it is through regulations that Bill C51 would like to do away with all the scrutiny and make possible the creation of Canadian law by unelected, foreign bodies.

“30(7) A regulation may incorporate by reference documents produced by a person or body other than the Minister of the Canadian Food Inspection Agency including
(a) an organization established for the purpose of writing standards, including an organization accredited by the Standards Council of Canada;
(b) an industrial or trade organization; or
© a government.”

If Bill C51 passes, it is not only is bad news for Canadians, it spells trouble for the US and Mexico as well, as the catch phrase of the year in politics and trade is HARMONIZATION. It pops up across many aspects of the political agenda including identification, environmental policy, economics and so forth.
Harmonization is integral to the easy, unfettered flow of goods across the borders of the world. An excerpt from Understanding Codex Alimentarius:

“Codex activities clearly indicates global acceptance of the Codex philosophy - embracing harmonization, consumer protection and facilitation of international trade - in practice it is difficult for many countries to accept Codex standards in the statutory sense. Differing legal formats and administrative systems, varying political systems and sometimes the influence of national attitudes and concepts of sovereign rights impede the progress of harmonization and deter the acceptance of Codex standards.”

Being that Codex regards ‘national attitudes’ and ‘concepts of sovereign rights’ as roadblocks, seems to show that the will of the majority is not to be reflected in its implementation.

This is how Bill C51 and Codex Alimentarius collide to form a threat to Freedom, Sovereignty and Health of Canadians.

Please don’t believe everything that is written here either. Become educated on this important issue and discuss it with friends, co-workers and family. Contact your Member of Parliment.

“If we don’t stand up for something, we’ll fall for anything.”

“Freedom is something that dies unless it’s used” - Hunter S. Thompson

Hunter S. Thompson used his freedom to be a drug-crazed lunatic. While his writing is entertaining, the example fits poorly with the issue of health products. Besides, it is a cheap emotional ploy, much like the general thrust of the stop bill C51.

cyph31: the conswervaties (not a typo) are a minority party, thus requiring support from either the Bloc, NDP, or the Liberals. While I detest Harper on many grounds, I am not ready to place credit or blame for this solely with him. That would make me an idiot reactionary like him or those who have so ineloquently presented their 1984 view of a government regulatory change.

Unfortunately ‘seems to show’ is what this boils down to. Many think that this seems to show some vast conspiracy to prevent them from doing what they want to do without even considering what they could still continue to do if it passes or how they would have been able to take part in crafting legislation that addresses the needs and concerns of both government and the population.

The quotes (sayings) given are extremely poor and show that the something being stood up for is ill defined. Quite frankly most teenager arguments against authority have more substance.

It has only been shown what the government could do. Not what the government will do. The government can remove your right to life and a trial if at least half the members vote on it, but they won’t actually try to do it.

“Life is only a zero-sum game when YOU CHOOSE to play it that way.” - Peter Orban

[quote]Peter Orban wrote:

“Life is only a zero-sum game when YOU CHOOSE to play it that way.” - Peter Orban[/quote]

Wow, I’ve never come across someone on T-Nation who actually quoted themselves! You’re so awesome dude!

“Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter”. - Martin Luther King Jr.

Martin Luther King Jr. > Peter Orban

[quote]Peter Orban wrote:
I have spent most of the last year helping companies get supplements licenced. It is actually pretty easy to get most supplements licenced. Please have a look at NHP guidelines before you jump to unreasonable conclusions.

as for these comments:

If passed it will:

  • Outlaw nearly all Natural Health Products
  • Criminalize the use of herbs
  • Favour drug & medical treatments
  • Ignore your Constitutional Rights

they are absolutely ludicrous. The only herbs that will be criminalized are ones that are brought into the country and sold without proper testing, labeling, and paper trails for recalls. Thus they are ‘criminalized’ because someone has to break the law to sell them to you.

Drug and medical treatments are favored because people ask for them both implicitly and explicitly.

Constitutional rights can only be over-ruled by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Get a clue before you go on a rant or witch hunt.

If you believe that the proposed legislation has the ability to seriously change the supplements you can buy, then show how, because right now you are crying wolf. You have been hosed by some bee pollen eating hippy.[/quote]

Thanks for posting this. This has been my impression but it is hard to say from down here what is going on up there.

What the holy shit are your legislator’s smoking up there? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

What can I say Canadian politicians aren’t the smartest bunch. Actions speak for them selves.

We’ve got a political scandal on our hands right now because Canada’s Foreign Affairs Minister Maxime Bernier
who was dating a woman connected to biker gangs in the past.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080527.wcouillard27/BNStory/Front

No big dear right? Past is past. Connected, married, whatever. The big deal was Mr. Bernier forgetting highly sensitive documents at her appartment. This is a grave risk to Canada�??s national security and how it might be compromised if anyone other than Mr. Bernier learned the contents of his “prep material” for a NATO summit.

How long do you think the documents were missing?

In a democracy, politicians are only as good as the standard that the electorate holds them accountable to.

nice rack

Can you actually demonstrate that this legislation will actually ban NHPs? As far as I can tell, NHPs will require a license.

For more info, you can check out the Health Canada’s website and consult the regs yourself:

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/prodnatur/index_e.html

[quote]oneils wrote:
Can you actually demonstrate that this legislation will actually ban NHPs? As far as I can tell, NHPs will require a license.

For more info, you can check out the Health Canada’s website and consult the regs yourself:

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/prodnatur/index_e.html
[/quote]

And you still trust Ministry of Health Canada?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myLQJMZIWME

Who else? Minister of Finance and Canada Revenue Agency?