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Can You Filter Your Tren Too Much?

How many times to you “coffee filter”.

First couple of times when I “brewed” I would filter with the coffee filter, and cooking, and .45 whatman, my Tren is golden and clear, but “milky” the next day. When I use it I will have minor swelling, and itch. No pain, or hardness, or warming of the area.

Now I will Coffee filter 3 to 4 times. And after .45 whatman, if it is still not clear, I will always have an extra sterle vial, I will open the first batch, draw it out and put it through another .45, or .2 into another sterle vial. Then I do not itch.

The itch is not an absese. There is minor swelling, but the area is not warm to the touch, or hard and painful.

It still makes me nervous. So far this has always worked for me.

My question is some of my friends think I may be “loosing” Tren when I filter so much?

What say ye all?

drt : )

I think you havent listened to a word of advice that has been given to you in the past so people are likely tired of offering it to you.

[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
I think you havent listened to a word of advice that has been given to you in the past so people are likely tired of offering it to you.[/quote]

would say this statement holds very true.
but to answer you.

if you are shooting it and it itches but you filter it and it does not itch then you are shooting fillers or some other nasties.

I would suggest using pre filters sold where you get your syringe filters at.

should be no hint of cloudiness at all.

[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
I think you havent listened to a word of advice that has been given to you in the past so people are likely tired of offering it to you.[/quote]
x2

Guys, we all make our own choices. The mere fact this forum is here, and we all use… I listen, and I research, and I read as all of you do. Then “I” make the decision “for me” as each of you do.

I do not use Tren alone because I want too, I do it because I can not get the Test I want. And after the research on converting it, I do not feel confortable going that direction.

I work Probation/Parole, I can not afford the chance of buying the test on the street… I can convert Tren at home “descretely” with little risk of being busted.

And yeah, yeah I know that R. Colman was L/E but I still do not want to take the risks on the street.

All I was really asking if was does “multiple” filtering lower the % of Tren in the final product?

I dont know for definite but i would hazard a guess at no.

The tren/steroid hormone and ester are solubule in the carrier - so anything else (nasties) should be filtered with a .45 or .2 filter… you may lose some of the final product in the filter, barrel, on the table etc… but you shouldnt be filtering out the drug from the oil.

See?

But i dont know the specifics around converting pellets so i dont know how much my limited knowledge carries over - but there you have it, my opinion.

JJ

[quote] Brook wrote:
I dont know for definite but i would hazard a guess at no.

The tren/steroid hormone and ester are solubule in the carrier - so anything else (nasties) should be filtered with a .45 or .2 filter… you may lose some of the final product in the filter, barrel, on the table etc… but you shouldnt be filtering out the drug from the oil.

See?

But i dont know the specifics around converting pellets so i dont know how much my limited knowledge carries over - but there you have it, my opinion.

JJ[/quote]

no no,you are correct.

the fillers and such are not soluable so they can be filtered out.
the hormone itself is soluable so it stays with the oil.

filter that stuff as much as you need to in order to get it nice and clear and staying clear

ok editing this a bit for clarity.
you may loose some of the product every time you filter because you never get all the oil back,but you wont loose any of the active drug. it stays the same concentration.

Filtering once through a coffee filter and once through a .45 syringe filter should be enough.

If the solution is still cloudy it might mean that more solvent is needed (BB/BA)

Anyway in the future you should think about doing the crystal fina method as it’s much better.

[quote]RollingStone wrote:
Filtering once through a coffee filter and once through a .45 syringe filter should be enough.

[quote]
If the solution is still cloudy it might mean that more solvent is needed (BB/BA)

Anyway in the future you should think about doing the crystal fina method as it’s much better.[/quote]

This last batch I filtered 4 times through a coffee filter, and twice through a whatman .45. The first injection it was still clear the first day. By the evening of the first day my left delt was itchy. The second day is when I noticed a milkness. so I ran it through again a whatman .45. Since then no problems. I am into the second week. No problems.

Appreciate all the feedback.

“I love Tren”

[quote]RollingStone wrote:
Filtering once through a coffee filter and once through a .45 syringe filter should be enough.

If the solution is still cloudy it might mean that more solvent is needed (BB/BA)

Anyway in the future you should think about doing the crystal fina method as it’s much better.[/quote]

Got some feedback from another forum. They asked if I follow the instructions that mention “squeezing” the coffee filter to get the “last drop” of oil.

They said that they had the ame problem I had written about. They quit “wringing” the last bit out. Thought that it “forced” fillers through the filter that caued the itching and milkyness.

Next batch, I am going to just let it drip through ane forego the squeezing step and see what the final product is like.

I would absolutely concur with that… I have some experience filtering for other means - cold water extractions, filtering pills for IV use… etc.
A filter should not be manipulated like that for the exact reasons you mentioned. I would assume that ‘wrings’ true for tren/AAS oils too… (haha!)

I assume you did wring your filter out Ddrrtt? If so, then i am sure that the results of your next batch will be clearer.

Take it easy fella…

[quote]ddrrtt wrote:
RollingStone wrote:
Filtering once through a coffee filter and once through a .45 syringe filter should be enough.

If the solution is still cloudy it might mean that more solvent is needed (BB/BA)

Anyway in the future you should think about doing the crystal fina method as it’s much better.

Got some feedback from another forum. They asked if I follow the instructions that mention “squeezing” the coffee filter to get the “last drop” of oil.

They said that they had the ame problem I had written about. They quit “wringing” the last bit out. Thought that it “forced” fillers through the filter that caued the itching and milkyness.

Next batch, I am going to just let it drip through ane forego the squeezing step and see what the final product is like.[/quote]

If any binders did pass through the coffee filter it would only mean the .45 filter would clog easier imo.

Filtering through the syringe filter should still produce a clear solution.

It could of been a faulty syringe filter. Try and filter it again. If you purge the filter with air you shouldn’t have any extra losses.

Also if you heat the current milky solution in a water bath does it turn clear or remain milky?

[quote]RollingStone wrote:
ddrrtt wrote:
RollingStone wrote:
Filtering once through a coffee filter and once through a .45 syringe filter should be enough.

If the solution is still cloudy it might mean that more solvent is needed (BB/BA)

Anyway in the future you should think about doing the crystal fina method as it’s much better.

Got some feedback from another forum. They asked if I follow the instructions that mention “squeezing” the coffee filter to get the “last drop” of oil.

They said that they had the ame problem I had written about. They quit “wringing” the last bit out. Thought that it “forced” fillers through the filter that caued the itching and milkyness.

Next batch, I am going to just let it drip through ane forego the squeezing step and see what the final product is like.

If any binders did pass through the coffee filter it would only mean the .45 filter would clog easier imo.

Filtering through the syringe filter should still produce a clear solution.

It could of been a faulty syringe filter. Try and filter it again. If you purge the filter with air you shouldn’t have any extra losses.[/quote]

The batch I made took 2 .45 Whatmans because of blockage. It was clear and golden the day it was made. I took the first injection that afternoon.

Next morning Delt itched, and it had a milkyness to it. So I ran it through again but this time through a .2 Whatman, Very clear, and golden. Heated it to 250 for 30 min’s. Next days when used, no itch. I am going to forgo the “squeezing” part from here on.

Learn by Doing!

[quote]RollingStone wrote:
Also if you heat the current milky solution in a water bath does it turn clear or remain milky?[/quote]

The batch in question was filtered using 2 Whatmans, then heated to 250 for 30min’s. That afternoon it was golden and clear.

The milkyness did not appear till the following morning. And I did not really notice it until the afternoon. By that time my delt was itching real good, and I happen to look at the bottle through a light.

So I ran it through another filter but that time a .2.

Seems all fine now.

Have used it for 7 days.

I Love Tren!

Maybe it was falling out of the carrier? Crashing?

I think it was more of a sloppy filtering than an actual crash.

I had this problem my very frst batch too.
it wasnt enough binders to really cause an abcess but it was enough to cause a slightly cloudy sol. and a pretty bad itch
my butt had a lump in it for a almost a week scared the crap out of me.

how i fixed it was this

I stop being concerned with getting the little last bit of oil,I accepted the fact that I was going to loose about half a vial between all the filters,it never was that much loss but I was looking towards that amount.

I filtered with a paper coffee filter into a small jar,then I used a reusable mesh filter bought from walmart for 5 bux. used that filter and put the product into a second clean jar.

I then washed and dried the first jar as the filter was dripping.
when the first jar was dry I used a paper filter and filterd into the washed jar. and washed and dried the filter.

I repeated that a few times I dont remember how many times but I think 3 times.

I then cooked the tren how you did but it was in an unsealed vial.
I then passed the stuff through a .45 whatman with a little trouble into another unsealed vial.

washed the first vial and dried it and filtered again with a new .45 whatman this time was alot eaiser.

that is whenI mixed some BA then filtered thru a new .45 whatman into a new sealed sterial vial.
I let that sit over night and looked at it and it stayed clear so I then filtered into a new sterial vial with a .22 whatman.

no problems at all with very little product loss.

the first round of filtering I was doing was not to make it sterial I wanted to make sure all the binders were gone.
that why I didnt car if I used unsealed vials and they wernt new ones but washed and reused ones.
wasnt untill the final filtering after cooking it was I worried about steriality.

I actually did the same type of filtering for my test prop conversion.

which BTW if you want some help sorting out that I would be glad to help its much more straight foward than it first looks like.

I hope this helps a little bit and I hope I didnt just make a clusterfuck out of a good idea by posting too late.

[quote]Nich wrote:
I think it was more of a sloppy filtering than an actual crash.

I had this problem my very frst batch too.
it wasnt enough binders to really cause an abcess but it was enough to cause a slightly cloudy sol. and a pretty bad itch
my butt had a lump in it for a almost a week scared the crap out of me.

how i fixed it was this

I stop being concerned with getting the little last bit of oil,I accepted the fact that I was going to loose about half a vial between all the filters,it never was that much loss but I was looking towards that amount.

I filtered with a paper coffee filter into a small jar,then I used a reusable mesh filter bought from walmart for 5 bux. used that filter and put the product into a second clean jar.

I then washed and dried the first jar as the filter was dripping.
when the first jar was dry I used a paper filter and filterd into the washed jar. and washed and dried the filter.

I repeated that a few times I dont remember how many times but I think 3 times.

I then cooked the tren how you did but it was in an unsealed vial.
I then passed the stuff through a .45 whatman with a little trouble into another unsealed vial.

washed the first vial and dried it and filtered again with a new .45 whatman this time was alot eaiser.

that is whenI mixed some BA then filtered thru a new .45 whatman into a new sealed sterial vial.
I let that sit over night and looked at it and it stayed clear so I then filtered into a new sterial vial with a .22 whatman.

no problems at all with very little product loss.

the first round of filtering I was doing was not to make it sterial I wanted to make sure all the binders were gone.
that why I didnt car if I used unsealed vials and they wernt new ones but washed and reused ones.
wasnt untill the final filtering after cooking it was I worried about steriality.

I actually did the same type of filtering for my test prop conversion.

which BTW if you want some help sorting out that I would be glad to help its much more straight foward than it first looks like.

I hope this helps a little bit and I hope I didnt just make a clusterfuck out of a good idea by posting too late.[/quote]

Completely, with the exception of washing and reuseing the vials. I always use new ones. But I do agree, with the extra filtering.

Hell, thee people who do “Trandermal” have been getting very bad sores by using ground up Fina pellets, and mixing it with dmso and applying it directly to their skin.
You have to mix it with oil and filter out the binders then or you are asking for serious burns and rashes lasting weeks.

Thanks to all, Great Feedback…

drt

to be honest …if i had enough vials I would have used them once and thrown them away after.

but after thinking about it,I thought screw it becuase I was going to filter to make it sterial after I just wanted the “chunks” out of it so it wasnt that big of a deal.

I only “tested” it for 2 weeks myself but had no problems and wonderful results

[quote]Nich wrote:
to be honest …if i had enough vials I would have used them once and thrown them away after.

but after thinking about it,I thought screw it becuase I was going to filter to make it sterial after I just wanted the “chunks” out of it so it wasnt that big of a deal.

I only “tested” it for 2 weeks myself but had no problems and wonderful results [/quote]

You really shouldn’t ever re-use a vial.

I do not “re-use” vials, I always purchase extra’s pre-steraled for situations like I have had. Alway nice to have a few around…