[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
When I was in HS we started at 8. My parents–and the parents of all the kids I knew–made sure we were in bed by 10 at the latest on school nights.
If there were more parents like that now it wouldn’t be an issue.
And what happens when you get to college and have an 8AM class? Or a job where you need to be there at 7 or at least leave the house at 6 30 or so?
You can’t blame society for everything you don’t like.[/quote]
First of all, you should notice that I wasn’t singling out high school as the single source of health and sleep related woes - I referred to workplace habbits as well. However, both college and the workplace offer incentives for attendance, which renders them incomparable to mandatory public “education” which is imposed on teenagers.
Why can’t I blame society for anything I don’t like when that’s the very cause of it?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Al Shades wrote:
For a healthier populace, schools ought to start no earlier than 9:00 AM in the morning, and run much shorter than they do now.
Al, I have to disagree. It is normal to get up and get going in the morning.
It is abnormal to sit and type on the computer or watch TV after dark.
Normal and abnormal are subjective, unverifiable categorizations. There is nothing subjective about health and sleep studies routinely conducted on HS/college students which show that they are operating at drastically reduced mental capacities due to sleep deprivation. So, you disagree that later class times would lead to a healthier populace? It’s going take a solid, empirical argument to refute the research I just cited. Is “normal” still normal when it’s unhealthy and bad? Question of the day…
P.S. 9 AM isn’t late. Schools could start at 11, get out at 2, and lose very little in terms of educational curriculum. Simply can all of the bullshit that’s currently being taught.
Kids remember far more from the classes they took between 7:30 and 9:30 than the rest of the day.[/quote]
That seems like an obvious conclusion which doesn’t address the real issue. Yeah, who is going to bother remembering his sixth hour of useless bullshit? The real question is why do there have to be six hours of useless BS in the first place, and why must they begin so early? If you started the day at 2 PM and went until 8, then students would remember everything from 2-4 and forget the rest, at least if you take the study at face value. Incidentally, I don’t. From personal experience I can say that most people are still half-asleep (or fully asleep, as the case may be) in their first period class. Second and third periods are usually a nerve wracking battle of hunger in anticipation of lunch. Most students don’t eat breakfast. I’d say they’re a lot more likely to do better after having something to eat, which would directly contradict that study. I bet it was taken by teachers/administrators who have no clue about anything.