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Can I Mix Test E with EQ?

can i mix test E with EQ?
can u mix all oil based substances together?

If you mix Testosterone enanthate and Boldenone Undeclynate then that makes Bestosterone Undethanate, and it aromatizes at 768% of that amount of the same substance of the previous dominating component - in this case the boldenone.

OK?

Good luck bro.

Nice frankenword, Brook.

To the OP, in short: Yes.

[quote] Brook wrote:
If you mix Testosterone enanthate and Boldenone Undeclynate then that makes Bestosterone Undethanate, and it aromatizes at 768% of that amount of the same substance of the previous dominating component - in this case the boldenone.

OK?

Good luck bro.[/quote]

LOL!!! Not to be rude, but I’m surprised at how many people don’t know that.

lol. If your talking about taking the two of them at the same time then go for it.

If you’re referring to injecting both with the same pin thats a bad idea. You can’t accurately dose two separate products in one pin. Happy injecting.

you can…if you want to die! I would have trouble drawing the required amount of each vial if I were to use one syringe for both. Use another syringe/pin, shit. They’re dirt cheap.

[quote]ironjoe wrote:
lol. If your talking about taking the two of them at the same time then go for it.

If you’re referring to injecting both with the same pin thats a bad idea. You can’t accurately dose two separate products in one pin. Happy injecting. [/quote]

[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
you can…if you want to die! I would have trouble drawing the required amount of each vial if I were to use one syringe for both. Use another syringe/pin, shit. They’re dirt cheap. [/quote]

You guys crack me up, it’s not obvious that you are joking though, humor is hard to do in text. You guys aren’t serious… are you?

Nothing wrong with combining several compounds in one syringe, nothing wrong with the potential of being off ever so slightly on one’s dosing.

I have enough to be a needle exchange so dammit if Im not going to draw with two seperate syringes.

[quote]TheBeat2 wrote:
ironjoe wrote:
lol. If your talking about taking the two of them at the same time then go for it.

If you’re referring to injecting both with the same pin thats a bad idea. You can’t accurately dose two separate products in one pin. Happy injecting.

Growing_Boy wrote:
you can…if you want to die! I would have trouble drawing the required amount of each vial if I were to use one syringe for both. Use another syringe/pin, shit. They’re dirt cheap.

You guys crack me up, it’s not obvious that you are joking though, humor is hard to do in text. You guys aren’t serious… are you?

Nothing wrong with combining several compounds in one syringe, nothing wrong with the potential of being off ever so slightly on one’s dosing.
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I think these two are serious - it is easy to combine two or more drugs in the same barrel - say you want 200mg of a 250mg/ml oil (0.8ml) and 100mg of a 100mg/ml (1ml) oil - you fill the syringe upto 0.8ml with drug A then fill to 1.8ml with drug B…

Easy!

It just means one needs to fill the syringe accurately first time rather than the normal technique of overfilling and then pushing some out to make the mark.

JJ

You cant assume that two separate products have the same basic density to mix that way. try mixing 1/4 cup of olive oil with 1/4 cup of water, you don’t get 1/2 a cup of liquid, you get just over a third, because the the oil and water can “fit” between each other so to speak. Its not just adding the two of them up.

1ml of Eq and 1ml of TE equals 1ml of each in a syringe… this goes for all the oil based steroids AFAIK.

Think about it like this, you fill the syringe slowly, with no air - just perfectly filled to the 1ml line with Eq, then pull the pin out of the vial, and insert it into the Test vial. then turn it upside down and slowly draw the oil out… so no air is drawn - just oil.

When the mark gets to 2ml, that will be 1ml of each substance, by default. Seeing as there was only room for 1ml of the second liquid left in the barrel after the first draw.

Now a ml of Eq may weigh less/more than a ml of TE but they are both millilitres.

thanks guys

[quote] Brook wrote:
1ml of Eq and 1ml of TE equals 1ml of each in a syringe… this goes for all the oil based steroids AFAIK.

Think about it like this, you fill the syringe slowly, with no air - just perfectly filled to the 1ml line with Eq, then pull the pin out of the vial, and insert it into the Test vial. then turn it upside down and slowly draw the oil out… so no air is drawn - just oil.

When the mark gets to 2ml, that will be 1ml of each substance, by default. Seeing as there was only room for 1ml of the second liquid left in the barrel after the first draw.

Now a ml of Eq may weigh less/more than a ml of TE but they are both millilitres.[/quote]

I know what your thinking and i agree it seems logical but its not the way it works. the point is that because they have two separate densities you can’t assume they aren’t mixing to some degree for a visual think about adding sand to a jar of rocks.

the sand can easily fit between the rocks so although you’re adding something the volume doesn’t change proportionally. The same is true with liquids.

lets say your test is dosed at 250mg/1ml and you’re EQ is dosed at 300mg/ml. Both esters weight the same amount and the the base of test is only 2mg heavier then EQ.

The density of the EQ+ester would be about 30% greater then that of the test because of the difference in mg/ml (density is determined by mass/volume). The denser the product the less room there is in between each molecule.

However because the test has less molecules in the same volume it can “fit” between the molecules of the EQ. Hence 1ml of Test + 1ml of EQ is less then 2ml when combined.

its easy to mix different compounds in the same barrell

if you want 1ml of each
fill drug a to 1ml and then drug b to 2 ml and then draw in a bit of air and use the bubble to mix the stuff together push out the air and bang away.

easy as that

Thats clever Nich

[quote]ironjoe wrote:
Brook wrote:
1ml of Eq and 1ml of TE equals 1ml of each in a syringe… this goes for all the oil based steroids AFAIK.

Think about it like this, you fill the syringe slowly, with no air - just perfectly filled to the 1ml line with Eq, then pull the pin out of the vial, and insert it into the Test vial. then turn it upside down and slowly draw the oil out… so no air is drawn - just oil.

When the mark gets to 2ml, that will be 1ml of each substance, by default. Seeing as there was only room for 1ml of the second liquid left in the barrel after the first draw.

Now a ml of Eq may weigh less/more than a ml of TE but they are both millilitres.

I know what your thinking and i agree it seems logical but its not the way it works. the point is that because they have two separate densities you can’t assume they aren’t mixing to some degree for a visual think about adding sand to a jar of rocks.

the sand can easily fit between the rocks so although you’re adding something the volume doesn’t change proportionally. The same is true with liquids.

lets say your test is dosed at 250mg/1ml and you’re EQ is dosed at 300mg/ml. Both esters weight the same amount and the the base of test is only 2mg heavier then EQ.

The density of the EQ+ester would be about 30% greater then that of the test because of the difference in mg/ml (density is determined by mass/volume). The denser the product the less room there is in between each molecule.

However because the test has less molecules in the same volume it can “fit” between the molecules of the EQ. Hence 1ml of Test + 1ml of EQ is less then 2ml when combined.[/quote]

I understand the jar of rocks analogy, but that doesnt apply to a liquid as there is no space for the other liquid to occupy the same space - even if they are different densities, that makes them a different mass, and would affect how they mix with each other, but they would both occupy the exact same space as measured. They cant occupy the same space as the other.

Water doesnt mix with an oil like it would if it went ‘between the spaces’ it simply doesnt mix at all… because of the fact that oil is denser, it has a higher mass and therefore it is heavier, so the water floats on TOP of the oil… not inbetween the particles.

The two oils… may have different densities, but they both can only take up the space they themselves occupy, there is no space for the other liquid to fit inbetween the others less dense particles, as the liquid is still an object, the particles are still bound together!

Maybe i am missing something, but i just cannot see how you believe that to be correct. I see what you are saying, especially with the jar of rocks analogy, but there is no room in one oil for another, even on a microscopic level. The oils both take up the full space.

A jar of rocks filled upto 1ml, ISNT 1ml as it doesnt fill the full space. That is the reason that solids tend to be packaged as weights instead of volumes (and vice-versa)… so when the liquid is poured into the jar with rocks it fills the space to take up 1ml, even though it is 1ml of rocks and liquid total.

If the rocks were a jelly, and were occupying 1ml of space, then water was poured on-top to add another ml, the total space would be 2ml - with the water on top no doubt.

If the rocks TOTAL volume was 1ml (not just poured into the vessel upto the 1ml line), and 1ml of liquid was poured on top - the total volume would be 2ml! Whether that is solids or liquids or gases… it is still 2ml. The rocks displace 1ml of space as that is their volume.

What you are saying is that due to the different densities, one liquid will need more (be heavier in mass) to occupy 1ml than another will… simply as it is denser. But this is taken care of naturally by the system of measurement… ie. they will still both be 1ml of liquid.

Am i wrong here?

JJ

[quote]ironjoe wrote:
Brook wrote:
1ml of Eq and 1ml of TE equals 1ml of each in a syringe… this goes for all the oil based steroids AFAIK.

Think about it like this, you fill the syringe slowly, with no air - just perfectly filled to the 1ml line with Eq, then pull the pin out of the vial, and insert it into the Test vial. then turn it upside down and slowly draw the oil out… so no air is drawn - just oil.

When the mark gets to 2ml, that will be 1ml of each substance, by default. Seeing as there was only room for 1ml of the second liquid left in the barrel after the first draw.

Now a ml of Eq may weigh less/more than a ml of TE but they are both millilitres.

I know what your thinking and i agree it seems logical but its not the way it works. the point is that because they have two separate densities you can’t assume they aren’t mixing to some degree for a visual think about adding sand to a jar of rocks.

the sand can easily fit between the rocks so although you’re adding something the volume doesn’t change proportionally. The same is true with liquids.

lets say your test is dosed at 250mg/1ml and you’re EQ is dosed at 300mg/ml. Both esters weight the same amount and the the base of test is only 2mg heavier then EQ.

The density of the EQ+ester would be about 30% greater then that of the test because of the difference in mg/ml (density is determined by mass/volume). The denser the product the less room there is in between each molecule.

However because the test has less molecules in the same volume it can “fit” between the molecules of the EQ. Hence 1ml of Test + 1ml of EQ is less then 2ml when combined.[/quote]
Sorry bud, but I don’t know where you took physics or if you even did, but your thinking is a phallacy.

Volume is volume and 60ml of oil mixed with 60ml of water is 120ml of volume - try it yourself. Your thinking with the compounds is clever, but unfortunately collapsed in it’s logic. Density will have to do with mixing and not volume in most cases.

Comparing rocks and sand to liquids and the molecular structure is where I think you are getting confused and the volume within the total compound may be different leading to different viscousities - but the same physical volume. I like how you try to break it all down, but you are complicating something that Mr. Wizard taught most of us a long time ago.

[quote]ironjoe wrote:
Brook wrote:
1ml of Eq and 1ml of TE equals 1ml of each in a syringe… this goes for all the oil based steroids AFAIK.

Think about it like this, you fill the syringe slowly, with no air - just perfectly filled to the 1ml line with Eq, then pull the pin out of the vial, and insert it into the Test vial. then turn it upside down and slowly draw the oil out… so no air is drawn - just oil.

When the mark gets to 2ml, that will be 1ml of each substance, by default. Seeing as there was only room for 1ml of the second liquid left in the barrel after the first draw.

Now a ml of Eq may weigh less/more than a ml of TE but they are both millilitres.

I know what your thinking and i agree it seems logical but its not the way it works. the point is that because they have two separate densities you can’t assume they aren’t mixing to some degree for a visual think about adding sand to a jar of rocks.

the sand can easily fit between the rocks so although you’re adding something the volume doesn’t change proportionally. The same is true with liquids.

lets say your test is dosed at 250mg/1ml and you’re EQ is dosed at 300mg/ml. Both esters weight the same amount and the the base of test is only 2mg heavier then EQ.

The density of the EQ+ester would be about 30% greater then that of the test because of the difference in mg/ml (density is determined by mass/volume). The denser the product the less room there is in between each molecule.

However because the test has less molecules in the same volume it can “fit” between the molecules of the EQ. Hence 1ml of Test + 1ml of EQ is less then 2ml when combined.[/quote]
Sorry bud, but I don’t know where you took physics or if you even did, but your thinking is a phallacy.

Volume is volume and 60ml of oil mixed with 60ml of water is 120ml of volume - try it yourself. Your thinking with the compounds is clever, but unfortunately collapsed in it’s logic. Density will have to do with mixing and not volume in most cases.

Comparing rocks and sand to liquids and the molecular structure is where I think you are getting confused and the volume within the total compound may be different leading to different viscousities - but the same physical volume. I like how you try to break it all down, but you are complicating something that Mr. Wizard taught most of us a long time ago.

[quote] Brook wrote:
ironjoe wrote:
Brook wrote:
1ml of Eq and 1ml of TE equals 1ml of each in a syringe… this goes for all the oil based steroids AFAIK.

Think about it like this, you fill the syringe slowly, with no air - just perfectly filled to the 1ml line with Eq, then pull the pin out of the vial, and insert it into the Test vial. then turn it upside down and slowly draw the oil out… so no air is drawn - just oil.

When the mark gets to 2ml, that will be 1ml of each substance, by default. Seeing as there was only room for 1ml of the second liquid left in the barrel after the first draw.

Now a ml of Eq may weigh less/more than a ml of TE but they are both millilitres.

I know what your thinking and i agree it seems logical but its not the way it works. the point is that because they have two separate densities you can’t assume they aren’t mixing to some degree for a visual think about adding sand to a jar of rocks.

the sand can easily fit between the rocks so although you’re adding something the volume doesn’t change proportionally. The same is true with liquids.

lets say your test is dosed at 250mg/1ml and you’re EQ is dosed at 300mg/ml. Both esters weight the same amount and the the base of test is only 2mg heavier then EQ.

The density of the EQ+ester would be about 30% greater then that of the test because of the difference in mg/ml (density is determined by mass/volume). The denser the product the less room there is in between each molecule.

However because the test has less molecules in the same volume it can “fit” between the molecules of the EQ. Hence 1ml of Test + 1ml of EQ is less then 2ml when combined.

I understand the jar of rocks analogy, but that doesnt apply to a liquid as there is no space for the other liquid to occupy the same space - even if they are different densities, that makes them a different mass, and would affect how they mix with each other, but they would both occupy the exact same space as measured. They cant occupy the same space as the other.

Water doesnt mix with an oil like it would if it went ‘between the spaces’ it simply doesnt mix at all… because of the fact that oil is denser, it has a higher mass and therefore it is heavier, so the water floats on TOP of the oil… not inbetween the particles.

The two oils… may have different densities, but they both can only take up the space they themselves occupy, there is no space for the other liquid to fit inbetween the others less dense particles, as the liquid is still an object, the particles are still bound together!

Maybe i am missing something, but i just cannot see how you believe that to be correct. I see what you are saying, especially with the jar of rocks analogy, but there is no room in one oil for another, even on a microscopic level. The oils both take up the full space.

A jar of rocks filled upto 1ml, ISNT 1ml as it doesnt fill the full space. That is the reason that solids tend to be packaged as weights instead of volumes (and vice-versa)… so when the liquid is poured into the jar with rocks it fills the space to take up 1ml, even though it is 1ml of rocks and liquid total.

If the rocks were a jelly, and were occupying 1ml of space, then water was poured on-top to add another ml, the total space would be 2ml - with the water on top no doubt.

If the rocks TOTAL volume was 1ml (not just poured into the vessel upto the 1ml line), and 1ml of liquid was poured on top - the total volume would be 2ml! Whether that is solids or liquids or gases… it is still 2ml. The rocks displace 1ml of space as that is their volume.

What you are saying is that due to the different densities, one liquid will need more (be heavier in mass) to occupy 1ml than another will… simply as it is denser. But this is taken care of naturally by the system of measurement… ie. they will still both be 1ml of liquid.

Am i wrong here?

JJ[/quote]

No, you’re not. 1ml is 1ml. Trying to argue otherwise is like saying a lb of feathers weighs more than a lb of gold.

Lol this has nothing do with physics, its chemistry, look it up bitches! it works!

And no, 60ml of oil and 60ml of water mixed is not 120ml! you need to try it first. You’ll be surprised.