[quote]anonfactor wrote:
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
It only impacts the lower class if they rely on retail sales. If they learn to grwo food, and barter a consumption tax is the best type of tax.[/quote]
So you want people to go back to growing their own food and bartering for their necessities in order to offset the increased tax burden brought on by this plan, if it were put into effect? Do you think the average poor or even middle class family living in a major urban center has the resources or training or time to raise livestock?
Say what you want about the current state of our currency and agricultural industry, I think you’d find people would prefer the inherent ease and efficiency of our current system to a return to bartering and subsistence farming.
Honestly, it sounds like you’re advocating for a Great Leap Forward but in reverse. What exactly makes you think such as undertaking would be preferable to (or even feasible in) our current system? Also, do you think that plans such as these, which are regressive and place a heavier tax burden on the poor and middle classes than on the elite, will eventually lead to even greater wealth inequality and all the problems that entails?[/quote]
It is not regressive, it is flat, standardized. People have become so inidated with this nonesense it becomes hard to see the difference. if everyone pays the same percent, they are in fact app being impacted “equally”. It is not right to punish someone for making more.
All I was getting at with the statement on being self sufficient is to not rely on someone else. Especially if they are relying on the government to take from someone else in order to provide for them. And you seriously think being able to provide your own food, energy, sustainable heat and other such things is regressive. I think being dependent on someone else to provide your necessities is regressive. In fact I think it is idiotic and if it is the life you choose, don’t complain to me or try to take what is mine when your system breaks and you can’t get what you need from your provider.
See I work in pharma industry, and have sacrificed to buy land with an old house. And have slowly turned back into a permiculture, self sustainable farm. I work before and after work, to make sure my wife can be home with our kids, to make sure they have what they need and get to see what real environmently friendly is.
But I do not endorse Herman Cains plan, I do not support taxing both on both the income and consumption levels. I think that is morally bankrupt to do, and nothing in the government is transitionary or temporary, especially if it gets their hands into your money.
The only proper way to tax would be a flat consumption tax on retail. No corporate, no income, and no not everyone needs to start their own farm. But this would bring support back to local farms, and food supplies, local business. Stronger support for local business who usually operate in a community friendly and environmentaly friendly way is usually a good thing.
Completely reduce the size of government and the ability of groups to lobby and get inequal legislation in place.