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Cain vs. Unable


#1

So, now that the two way race is between Romney and Cain, are we going to be seeing a lot more of this Cain fella? When Bachmann, Santorum, Gingrich, and finally Perry drop out, it's a safe bet Cain picks up most of their supporters, no?


#2

A safe bet?

Why is it a safe bet that Cain won't drop out?


#3

He's soaring where the others I named or either stagnant or plummeting.


#4

His support will be short lived.

He's got nothing but the ability to say he survived cancer.

Other than tat he's the the same as every establishment candidate up there.


#5

This week.


#6

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#7

The short answer is yes.

The guy speaks well, has a plan, and has a nice story to tug at voters' emotions. He is the only real outsider, something voters are still looking for. He seems to value a conservative small government as much as anybody, recognizing the problems of an over-reaching government, but he has done an excellent job not coming across as a libertarian, which is a turn off to the masses. He has found the balance between government, faith, and family to pull in many republicans without turning off independents and all but the most liberal democrats. While it may never get passed, his 9/9/9 plan should be intriguing to the vast majority of voters and garner plenty of votes.

It is going to be very interesting to see how his campaign handles being mentioned with the front runners. If Cain is still at or near the top in a month, I think he has a very good chance of being the guy.

EDIT: For those that aren't aware, Cain is now tied with Romney in the most recent CBS poll, I think this is what Sloth is referring to. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20115655-503544.html

He also added a couple more straw poll wins over the weekend, and is first in the Zogby poll.


#8

As I've said many times I like what Herman Cain has to say. With that said he would be the democrats dream candidate (or one of them at least). He doesn't stand a ghost of a chance of beating President Obama. He's inexperienced on the campaign trail and has already put his foot in his mouth a few times. On top of that he doesn't have much of a national organization at this time. Granted if he became a serious contender (hot more than just a few weeks) he'd draw support and build an organization. But with four primaries coming up in January I think he has too little too late.

Also, I don't feel that his candidacy has legs. He's hot right now, but that will fade. The press has already begun to pick him apart. And don't count out Perry just yet. Unlike Bachman and the others Perry actually has a lot of money and a reasonably good organization behind him.

Actually the best thing that could have possibly happened to Romney is that his front runner status has been challenged by Perry, Cain and Chris "I'm gonna run...no I'm not..I am...no I'm not" Christie. This has kept the press constantly attacking the front runner and Romney out of the direct firing line of the MSLM.

I know, I know you hate Romney and won't vote for him, I get it. But in my opinion he's looking like the guy to beat. I'm just reporting it as I see it.


#9

Damn racists.


#10

my only real problem with cain is that i dont really know a lot about him. he sounds good. hes articulate. he says stuff i wanna hear. But because the press thinks libertarians and repubs are a bunch of hillbilly racist, they have not really vetted him yet cause they never thought he could get this high in the poles. they will vet him now, and ill have to see then.

also as much as i might like the idea of a 999 plan, i just dont think its realistic to expect a president to overhaul the system to such an extent.


#11

Well, looks like I won't be voting Republican, again. Cain had better have a good explanation for what seems to be a flip-flop and outright dishonesty.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/herman-cain-awlaki-iowa-and-9-9-9-plan_595029.html


#12

"I'm a politician" should be sufficient. Look man, the last time anything conservative of note was done legislatively in this country (at least domestically), Gingrich was at the helm 15 years ago. They all suck. Gingrich is a political/legislative genius of the first order which almost by definition these days gives him the same reptilian character as the rest of these lowlifes.

You didn't really expect consistency and honesty from someone running for the U.S. presidency?


#13

The dude supports the same establishment institutions that the rest of them do.

How is he gonna shake up Washington supporting the same system Obama, et al, support?


#14

This is short lived. Cain is unelectable. It's pretty much the same thing that makes him popular that will render him unelectable. He's too damn honest. Not a rousing condemnation, except he's honest about things that scare people.

The election will be decided by the middle. These folks who couldn't tell you the name of their congressmen, but know who got kicked off of DDWTS last night, who fucked who on Glee, etc. They are the ones who decide the election. The right votes right and the left votes left and that ain't gonna change no matter who is running.

Perry's honeymoon is over, but I don't expect him to go away and I do expect him to re-surge. It's too early to tell a whole lot but this race is between Romney and Perry. Cain's little bump will pass. Right now strong conservatives are driving this thing. As time get short towards the election, more people will jump in and the more extreme candidates will fall by the wayside.


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#16

The federal reserve.

The American military-industrial complex and its empire

Social Security.

The war on drugs.

The income tax.

Just to name a few off the top of my head.


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#18

Pay attention to number 4 and 5 please:

institution
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in·sti·tu·tion
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noun
1.
an organization, establishment, foundation, society, or the like, devoted to the promotion of a particular cause or program, especially one of a public, educational, or charitable character: This college is the best institution of its kind.
2.
the building devoted to such work.
3.
a public or private place for the care or confinement of inmates, especially mental patients or other disabled or handicapped persons.
4.
Sociology . a well-established and structured pattern of behavior or of relationships that is accepted as a fundamental part of a culture, as marriage: the institution of the family.
5.
any established law, custom, etc.


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