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CA Poverty Rate Now #1

http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2012/11/californias-poverty-rate-highest-in-us-by-new-federal-measure.html

Nearly nine million Californians - almost a quarter of the state’s residents - live in poverty under a newly devised federal standard, making the state’s rate by far the highest in the nation.

The stunning number will fuel California’s perpetual political debate over the state’s “safety net” of health and welfare services, which have been reduced sharply due to budget deficits. With voter approval of new taxes, advocates for the poor are demanding that some of the benefit cuts be rescinded.

California’s 23.5 percent poverty rate under the “supplemental poverty measure” (SPM) developed by the Census Bureau is approached only by the 23.2 percent rate in the District of Columbia. The highest SPM rate in any other state is Florida’s 19.5 percent.

“Poverty” in The State of DisneyLand, Hollywood, and Medical Marijuana eh?
Who didn’t see this coming, and what good is it gonna do for us to know this?
What can we do about it in the first place? We get the Government we deserve.
What is “Poverty” compared to other Countries anyway, what exactly is considered
“Poverty” in the U.S.? How do you specifically define it here in the Land of Milk
and Honey compared to everywhere else?
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The article was focused on what policies, and how those policies, affect a population. It seems “taxing the wealthy” wasn’t the utopia the Democrats thought it would be. Because people fled like refugees, in search for better conditions.

What good it will do for us, is to NOT repeat this bullshit. Meaning, states can take note, especially yours Karado, Illinois is about as Union-run and tax friendly as they come. Yet you sport an impressive murder rate, and your student performance in schools is embarrassing.

25% of 38 Million people live below the poverty line, if you hand it out, the poor will come.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2012/11/californias-poverty-rate-highest-in-us-by-new-federal-measure.html

Nearly nine million Californians - almost a quarter of the state’s residents - live in poverty under a newly devised federal standard, making the state’s rate by far the highest in the nation.

The stunning number will fuel California’s perpetual political debate over the state’s “safety net” of health and welfare services, which have been reduced sharply due to budget deficits. With voter approval of new taxes, advocates for the poor are demanding that some of the benefit cuts be rescinded.

California’s 23.5 percent poverty rate under the “supplemental poverty measure” (SPM) developed by the Census Bureau is approached only by the 23.2 percent rate in the District of Columbia. The highest SPM rate in any other state is Florida’s 19.5 percent.[/quote]

What is amazing about this is that one would think that they would look at themselves and say “hey liberalism has failed.” But, noooooo they just think they need more of what got them to this point. Sort of like a drunk thinking more alcohol will cure him.

Liberalism, a political philosophy that has never succeeded anywhere it’s been tried. And one that is about to bring the entire country to its knees.

Zeb,

The state legislature made a comment about planning to spend 25% MORE on infrastructure, thinking it will get California out of the dumps. When someone asked how it was to be paid for, the legislature expected the economy to have picked up by then.

We average 5 large businesses leaving per week, now over 250 within a 12-month time. I have my life preserver.

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/pwi_regulars_post_your_lifts?id=4755539&pageNo=11

Maximus Sez: “What good it will do for us, is to NOT repeat this bullshit. Meaning, states can take note, especially yours Karado, Illinois is about as Union-run and tax friendly as they come. Yet you sport an impressive murder rate, and your student performance in schools is embarrassing.”

HMMMM, Let me think…wait for it…wait for it…Ok, I got it…WHEW that was
hard! Actually hard for me believe that an individual will “NOT repeat this Bullshit” when
you know it will eventually…all over the place. I also find it endearing that
you actually some faith that an indivudual or some Politician will heed the Warning
of what’s happening in Cali, you have more faith in humans than I do.

As for Illinois, criticize it all you want, I agree and I’ll join you in The Chorus…how’s that?
You also sound like I had a CHOICE being born here in ObamaLand, Either that or I TOTTALLY
Forgot that one time when I requested an Angel to place my soul in The Land Of Lincoln
before my birth because I admired the 16th President so much.

[quote]Karado wrote:
Maximus Sez: “What good it will do for us, is to NOT repeat this bullshit. Meaning, states can take note, especially yours Karado, Illinois is about as Union-run and tax friendly as they come. Yet you sport an impressive murder rate, and your student performance in schools is embarrassing.”

HMMMM, Let me think…wait for it…wait for it…Ok, I got it…WHEW that was
hard! Actually hard for me believe that an individual will “NOT repeat this Bullshit” when
you know it will eventually…all over the place. I also find it endearing that
you actually some faith that an indivudual or some Politician will heed the Warning
of what’s happening in Cali, you have more faith in humans than I do.

As for Illinois, criticize it all you want, I agree and I’ll join you in The Chorus…how’s that?
You also sound like I had a CHOICE being born here in ObamaLand, Either that or I TOTTALLY
Forgot that one time when I requested an Angel to place my soul in The Land Of Lincoln
before my birth because I admired the 16th President so much.

[/quote]

Karado sez a bunch of stuff.

Your postz are very hard to read and barely coherent.

[quote]Karado wrote:
Maximus Sez: “What good it will do for us, is to NOT repeat this bullshit. Meaning, states can take note, especially yours Karado, Illinois is about as Union-run and tax friendly as they come. Yet you sport an impressive murder rate, and your student performance in schools is embarrassing.”

HMMMM, Let me think…wait for it…wait for it…Ok, I got it…WHEW that was
hard! Actually hard for me believe that an individual will “NOT repeat this Bullshit” when
you know it will eventually…all over the place. I also find it endearing that
you actually some faith that an indivudual or some Politician will heed the Warning
of what’s happening in Cali, you have more faith in humans than I do.

As for Illinois, criticize it all you want, I agree and I’ll join you in The Chorus…how’s that?
You also sound like I had a CHOICE being born here in ObamaLand, Either that or I TOTTALLY
Forgot that one time when I requested an Angel to place my soul in The Land Of Lincoln
before my birth because I admired the 16th President so much.

[/quote]

Revenge is your vote, Bam told me so.

I’m actually not sure why someone who was in poverty would move here though. This place is expensive and that’s with both of us working. I can’t imagine being under the poverty line.

The biggest problem with California is that we’re the closest thing to direct democracy possible. It’s a crazy model for sure and doesn’t do us any favors. That really needs to change because it’s killing us. The Republican party needs to find out how to better reach voters and make them understand the problem with all of what they are voting for.

james

[quote]atypical1 wrote:
I’m actually not sure why someone who was in poverty would move here though. This place is expensive and that’s with both of us working. I can’t imagine being under the poverty line.

The biggest problem with California is that we’re the closest thing to direct democracy possible. It’s a crazy model for sure and doesn’t do us any favors. That really needs to change because it’s killing us. The Republican party needs to find out how to better reach voters and make them understand the problem with all of what they are voting for.

james[/quote]

Why would someone in poverty move here ? Dude, we have the most welfare than any state in the country, that’s why. If you hand it out, they will come.

The only chance Republicans have here, is for Dems to just tax the shit out of us to the breaking point, and I have no doubt it will happen. I give it less than a year, before people get tired of it.

James, where you at in Cali ?

I’m way down here in San Diego. Side note, that’s definitely one reason I get a kick out of people from places like Illinois discussing illegal immigration. The line here is really blurry. I know a lot of people who work up here but live in TJ. It’s a helluva commute though.

I get being in poverty if you live here but moving here to me just seems crazy. How much can our programs pay? I do see a TON of homeless though. I really don’t know many of the details of our welfare programs because I’ve never had the need to look into them. I definitely need to spend some time reviewing the details of them to be better informed. I’m more familiar with the health care side of our programs but still don’t know all the details.

james

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

Why would someone in poverty move here ? [/quote]

because Mexico sucks worse

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

Why would someone in poverty move here ? [/quote]

because Mexico sucks worse
[/quote]

Mexico brought their suckiness here.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:<<< if you hand it out, the poor will come. [/quote]And stay that way in perpetuity.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Zeb,

The state legislature made a comment about planning to spend 25% MORE on infrastructure, thinking it will get California out of the dumps. When someone asked how it was to be paid for, the legislature expected the economy to have picked up by then.

We average 5 large businesses leaving per week, now over 250 within a 12-month time. I have my life preserver. [/quote]

Just as I said, they think they need more of what got them there. And you will see the same thing played out on a national level now that the socialist and chief has been reelected and has no electorate to answer to ever again. Instead of lower taxes and allowing the job creators to keep more of their money so that they can do what they do best…create more jobs and grow the economy, Obama will punish them. The warped thought process is that they need more money to run this wonderfully expanded government that he (and others) has created with Obamacare and all the other blood sucking programs that liberals think that we cannot live without.

We are about to get a double dose of the very thing that brought us to our economic knees and now will eventually kill us…LIBERALISM!

The US is now just about 4 years behind California.

Last week Mark Steyn had an interesting mention about California, and its demographics. With encouragement from our government since 1970, the latino population from South America now equals the white population in the state. I suppose that wouldn’t be a problem for the states finances, with the exception that the hispanic population from south of the border has been less interested in integration, higher education and learning new skills. That in turn has created a higher poverty rate for the state of California.

Possibly that trend will change in the future as of late several latin American countries have been experiencing growth, looking to improve their economies and seeing a growing middle class. Then again, with out promotion of entrepreneurial ideas it might not.

“GOP Date With Demographic Destiny By Government Design”

snippets from his article:

"…Everyone talks about this demographic transformation as if it’s a natural phenomenon, like Hurricane Sandy. Indeed, I notice that many of those exulting in the inevitable eclipse of “white America” are the same people who assure me that demographic arguments about the Islamization of Europe are completely preposterous.

But in neither the United States nor Europe is it a natural phenomenon. Rather, it’s the fruit of conscious government policy.
According to the Census, in 1970 the “Non-Hispanic White” population of California was 78%. By the 2010 census, it was 40%. Over the same period, the 10% Hispanic population quadrupled and caught up with whites.
That doesn’t sound terribly “natural” does it? If one were informed that, say, the population of Nigeria had gone from 80% black in 1970 to 40% black today, one would suspect something rather odd and unnatural had been going on.
Twenty years ago, Rwanda was about 14% Tutsi. Now it’s just under 10%. So it takes a bunch of Hutu butchers getting out their machetes and engaging in seven-figure genocide to lower the Tutsi population by a third.
But, when the white population of California falls by half, that’s “natural,” just the way it is, one of those things, could happen to anyone…"

&

…Don’t take it from a right-wing bigot like me, take it from The New York Times. In 2009, Jason DeParle filed a story about suburban Maryland, in which he helpfully explained the municipality of Langley Park to Times readers:
“Now nearly two-thirds Latino and foreign-born, it has the aesthetics of suburban sprawl and the aura of Central America. Laundromats double as money-transfer stores. Jobless men drink and sleep in the sun. There is no city government, few community leaders and little community.”
Golly. You’d almost get the impression that Mr. DeParle thinks that laundromats doubling as money-transfer stores, jobless men drinking and sleeping in the sun, and dysfunctional government are somehow characteristic of Central America. That sounds awfully judgmental for a Times man, no?
Republicans think they’re importing hardworking immigrants who want a shot at the American Dream; the Democrats think they’re importing clients for Big Government. The left is right: just under 60% of immigrants receive some form of welfare.
I see the recent Republican proposals for some form of amnesty contain all sorts of supposed safeguards against gaming the system, including a $525 dollar application fee for each stage of the legalization process…

Read More At IBD: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/111612-633828-demographic-transformation-of-america-not-natural.htm#ixzz2DLLC4ZUa

The Democrats planned this brilliantly, I must say…

Encourage policies that promote poverty and fiscal burden (massive spending, importing of poor people, huge government obligations with programs/pensions/entitlements, align yourself with Union bribery to pay for your campaign costs, etc) and you have a recipe for a welfare stronghold.

The new majority of takers voted, and they voted with their hands out.

Not even one week after passing a huge tax increase, some idiot Democrat proposed another tax increase, and we had to bombard his office with backlash to the point where he rescinded his tax proposal.

Democrats are going to hand this back to Republicans if they are not careful, they are already overreaching here.

[quote]Menthol wrote:
Last week Mark Steyn had an interesting mention about California, and its demographics. With encouragement from our government since 1970, the latino population from South America now equals the white population in the state. I suppose that wouldn’t be a problem for the states finances, with the exception that the hispanic population from south of the border has been less interested in integration, higher education and learning new skills. That in turn has created a higher poverty rate for the state of California.

Possibly that trend will change in the future as of late several latin American countries have been experiencing growth, looking to improve their economies and seeing a growing middle class. Then again, with out promotion of entrepreneurial ideas it might not.

“GOP Date With Demographic Destiny By Government Design”

snippets from his article:

"…Everyone talks about this demographic transformation as if it’s a natural phenomenon, like Hurricane Sandy. Indeed, I notice that many of those exulting in the inevitable eclipse of “white America” are the same people who assure me that demographic arguments about the Islamization of Europe are completely preposterous.

But in neither the United States nor Europe is it a natural phenomenon. Rather, it’s the fruit of conscious government policy.
According to the Census, in 1970 the “Non-Hispanic White” population of California was 78%. By the 2010 census, it was 40%. Over the same period, the 10% Hispanic population quadrupled and caught up with whites.
That doesn’t sound terribly “natural” does it? If one were informed that, say, the population of Nigeria had gone from 80% black in 1970 to 40% black today, one would suspect something rather odd and unnatural had been going on.
Twenty years ago, Rwanda was about 14% Tutsi. Now it’s just under 10%. So it takes a bunch of Hutu butchers getting out their machetes and engaging in seven-figure genocide to lower the Tutsi population by a third.
But, when the white population of California falls by half, that’s “natural,” just the way it is, one of those things, could happen to anyone…"

&

…Don’t take it from a right-wing bigot like me, take it from The New York Times. In 2009, Jason DeParle filed a story about suburban Maryland, in which he helpfully explained the municipality of Langley Park to Times readers:
“Now nearly two-thirds Latino and foreign-born, it has the aesthetics of suburban sprawl and the aura of Central America. Laundromats double as money-transfer stores. Jobless men drink and sleep in the sun. There is no city government, few community leaders and little community.”
Golly. You’d almost get the impression that Mr. DeParle thinks that laundromats doubling as money-transfer stores, jobless men drinking and sleeping in the sun, and dysfunctional government are somehow characteristic of Central America. That sounds awfully judgmental for a Times man, no?
Republicans think they’re importing hardworking immigrants who want a shot at the American Dream; the Democrats think they’re importing clients for Big Government. The left is right: just under 60% of immigrants receive some form of welfare.
I see the recent Republican proposals for some form of amnesty contain all sorts of supposed safeguards against gaming the system, including a $525 dollar application fee for each stage of the legalization process…

Read More At IBD: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/111612-633828-demographic-transformation-of-america-not-natural.htm#ixzz2DLLC4ZUa

[/quote]

No, no you must be wrong all diversity is good, just ask most College Professors.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
The Democrats planned this brilliantly, I must say…

Encourage policies that promote poverty and fiscal burden (massive spending, importing of poor people, huge government obligations with programs/pensions/entitlements, align yourself with Union bribery to pay for your campaign costs, etc) and you have a recipe for a welfare stronghold.

The new majority of takers voted, and they voted with their hands out.

Not even one week after passing a huge tax increase, some idiot Democrat proposed another tax increase, and we had to bombard his office with backlash to the point where he rescinded his tax proposal.

Democrats are going to hand this back to Republicans if they are not careful, they are already overreaching here. [/quote]

That would be a wonderful thing but don’t hold your breath.