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KUTZTOWN – Pennsylvania (Reuters) – President Bush has decided not to speak to the country’s largest civil rights group, the White House said Friday, citing openly hostile comments by its leaders about the president.

The White House initially attributed Bush’s decision not to accept the invitation to speak at the NAACP annual convention to a scheduling conflict. (Full story).[quote]

(Lying has become such a part of the white house culture under this administration that they just can’t help themselves anymore)

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The convention opens Saturday in Philadelphia.

But White House spokesman Scott McClellan, traveling with Bush on a campaign bus trip through Pennsylvania cited “hostile political rhetoric about the president” from the group’s leaders.

“It’s disappointing to hear,” McClellan said.

The Bush campaign has said it has made it a priority to reach out to African-Americans who traditionally favor Democratic candidates by a large margin.

Bush campaign spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush’s outreach to the black community would continue and would not be hurt by the NAACP flap.

McClellan said that “the president is going to reach out to everyone in the African-American community and ask for their vote based on his record and his vision for the country.”

Quite frankly why spend one minute of time attempting to garner black votes when 90% of all blacks who vote, vote democrat.

Do you think Kerry should address the Southern Baptist convention?

President Bush has nothing to gain by appearing at this convention. Most of the NAACP members hate him anyway.

It’s a waste of his time.

Dustin

Peroutka in 04

Well the President is supposed to be the president for ALL Americans. At least that’s what they used to say in the old days.

The president could have and would have an excellent relationship with blacks, if he’d try to address some of their concerns and issues, at least to a certain degree. Offhand, I can only think of Dubya’s pledge to fund AIDS work in Africa, as an issue that might strike a chord with blacks. And that’s not exactly an issue that hits close to home. (If I am not crediting Bush for something, then tell me).

That is quite a bold statement. I think you’ve got it completely backwards. The reason to do something as President is to just get votes? Is that all that matters? That is really crass. It suggests that Bush only does things that will get him re-elected. This is the exact opposite of the boasts about how “Bush doesn’t read polls” and he doesn’t do anything based on public opinion.

It’s like saying “you probably aren’t voting for me, so why should I care about you”. Not only is that poor leadership, it’s also poor politics. It’s called cutting off your nose to spite your face. It will set the GOP-NAACP relationship back quite a few years. It shows what a small tent the GOP actually has, as well as small thinking.

Do you think Kerry should not bother visiting any states where he thinks Bush will win? If Kerry wins, should he ignore the Bush (red) states as a leader? Or is a good president everyone’s president, even for the people who didn’t vote for him?

I think you Bush Bashers have it backwards. The NAACP, with it’s vitriolic hatred of anything non-black and conservative, has marginalized itself in the eyes of most logical thinking americans.

NAACP hates Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, SOS Powell, and JC Watts. Why? They are not black AND liberal.

I think it’s hilarious that these NAACP idiots are getting shined by the President.

They are far to left for any conservative to actually think they can sway a vote.

It is the swing voters that Bush will be focusing on in the next 16 weeks. He won’t even be stumping really hard towards conservative votes (he should already have them), so why should he try to garner a vote (democrats) he won’t even get. That would be like Kerry speaking to a pro-life group during his campaign.
That is just politics, the goal is to win the election. In the begining you appease your party, then you move towards the center and try to convince the swing voters (largely independents) to vote for you. Every presidential candidate does this every election year.

That’s all great, but the fact is that Bush is the only president since Herbert Hoover to refuse to attend the annual NAACP convention. If it is just election year politics, then how do you explain 2001, 2002 and 2003?

Maybe he figures he can just have his pals in Florida and Texas just exclude all them “darkies” from the voter registration rolls anyway. Everyone knows they’re all felons, potential felons or related to a felon.

First off Lumpy, that was the most well thought-out post I’ve seen you make in regards to political discussion.

Now to your post.

Lumpy wrote:
“The president could have and would have an excellent relationship with blacks, if he’d try to address some of their concerns and issues, at least to a certain degree. Offhand, I can only think of Dubya’s pledge to fund AIDS work in Africa, as an issue that might strike a chord with blacks.”

The NAACP wants money thrown at every problem. They don’t want to actually address any of the causes of their problems. For evidence of this, look at the way Cosby was treated when he spoke out recently. You know one’s culture is in a world of shit when the likes of Snoop Dogg, Ludicris, and R Kelly are considered role-models. Cosby spoke out against this type of behavior and was vilified. They don’t need more money, they need to take responsibilty for their actions and quit playing the victim game.

I really don’t think Bush can do anything to make these fringe groups like him. He spent 15 billion in “Aids research” in Africa and that wasn’t enough to please these people.

You are correct that the GOP has no connection or way to communicate to minority groups. Luckily for the Democrat party, they have Hollywood and the music industry to reach out. That is the GOP’s fault and something they need to remedy.

Dustin

Peroutka in 04

[quote]Dustin wrote:
First off Lumpy, that was the most well thought-out post I’ve seen you make in regards to political discussion.[/quote]

I wish I could say the same about yours.

I am starting to catch the gist of your confederate flag.

[quote]tme wrote:

Maybe he figures he can just have his pals in Florida and Texas just exclude all them “darkies” from the voter registration rolls anyway. Everyone knows they’re all felons, potential felons or related to a felon.

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Or, maybe Bush can see that since he’s hated by these folks that it would be a waste of time. I reckon I won’t see Bush speak at a MoveOn.org rally, do you? See, that would be a waste of time also.

Dustin

Peroutka in 04

[quote]Lumpy wrote:

I wish I could say the same about yours.

I am starting to catch the gist of your confederate flag.

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What did I say that was untrue? Please debate what I said and quit making insinuations. How is what I said any different than what Cosby said?

I use this avatar for two reasons.

  1. I’m a direct descendant of Robert E. Lee. I’ve alays felt a deep connection to the CSA, even before I knew I was related to Lee. I’m showing pride in my family and my culture. You don’t know me, so make insinuations or label me.

  2. The American Republic, that our Founding Fathers so brilliantly devised, ended when Lee surrendered at Appomatox Court House in 1865. Since then we’ve had a gradual increase in the size of the federal government with more and more rights taken away from the states. That is not good and it was not the intent of our Founding Fathers.

Again, debate what I said. Don’t make personal attacks.

Dustin

Peroutka in 04

Bush has skipped the convention every year he’s been in office. Skipping this year will make him the first president in 80 years, to not attend an NAACP convention.

Not only will this lose him votes with black voters, but I’d bet it will turn off some white voters too. It just reinforces the stereotype that Republicans are not interested in welcoming blacks into the party.

"Bush First President Since 1920s to Skip NAACP Event

July 9 (Bloomberg)
George W. Bush will become the first sitting U.S. president in eight decades not to attend an NAACP national convention, risking alienating some voters.

Bush, 58, declined to speak at the July 10-15 convention in Philadelphia because of scheduling commitments,'' White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters aboard Air Force One, adding thatthe current leadership of the NAACP had certainly made some rather hostile political comments about the president over the past few years.’’

The NAACP, the largest civil rights group in the U.S. with about 500,000 members, has criticized Bush’s Republican Party for racial division, and in a speech last month, chairman Julian Bond said Bush hasn’t lived up to his promises of compassionate conservatism. Bush, who received about 10 percent of the black vote in the 2000 election, risks further alienating a community of 34.7 million African-Americans, political analysts said.

There are going to be intense efforts to encourage African Americans to get out the vote by the Democratic Party,'' said Adam Clymer, political director of the National Annenberg Election Survey in Washington.It is one more argument that can be used to get people to get out and vote against’’ Bush.

Bill Clinton attended the conference in seven of his eight years as president. The year he missed the conference he sent Vice President Al Gore, NAACP spokesman Hillary Shelton said.

President George H.W. Bush, the current president’s father, attended at least one conference and invited the NAACP executive committee to the White House. It’s a matter of protocol to always invite the president, Shelton said.

``We’ve invited Bush to every convention,’’ Shelton said.

Black Voters

Shelton said the NAACP is organizing a ``historic get-out- the-vote campaign’’ in states such as Missouri, California, New York, and in Florida, where the NAACP and civil rights leader Jesse Jackson have claimed that police intimidation and discriminatory administrative practices prevented thousands of black Floridians from voting in the 2000 election.

Blacks make up 14.6 percent of the voting age population in Florida, or 1.4 million people, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Bush was certified the winner in Florida by 537 votes in 2000 following an unparalleled monthlong drama involving ballot recounts and Supreme Court intervention. Both he and Democratic rival John Kerry consider the state key to this year’s contest.

Eighty percent of blacks in Florida surveyed in a Quinnipiac University poll taken June 23-27 would support Kerry in the Nov. 2 election and 11 percent would vote for Bush.

``People are seeing that their vote could make a difference,’’ Shelton said.

Al Gore, Bush’s rival in 2000, received 94 percent of the vote of black women and 85 percent from black men, according to a report by David Bositis of the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, an African-American research institute based in Washington. Bositis cited Voter News Service exit polls.

``The Bush administration’s policies are almost universally rejected within the NAACP, and I don’t think Bush or his campaign anticipate receiving any substantial black support in the election,’’ Bositis said.

Showing Up

Founded in 1909, the Baltimore-based National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is the country’s oldest civil rights organization. Warren G. Harding, who died of a heart attack in his third year in office in 1923, was the last president never to attend a NAACP meeting, the Washington Post reported today, citing Shelton. Bush spoke to the convention in 2000 when he was Texas governor and running for president.

``It has become clear that George Bush only wants to address African Americans when it is convenient for him, and not when the issues are important to African Americans,’’ Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe said in a statement.

Kerry, a senator from Massachusetts and the presumptive Democratic Party nominee for president this year, will address the NAACP convention in Philadelphia on Thursday morning, according to a copy of a schedule from the NAACP.

Yesterday, Bush addressed the League of United Latin American Citizens Annual Convention in San Antonio by videoconference, explaining how his proposal to grant temporary work permits for millions of immigrants would help the economy by filling jobs Americans don’t want to take.

Weighing the Benefits

Christine Iverson, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, didn’t immediately return a phone call seeking comment on McAuliffe’s remarks.

Bush plans to ``fight for every single vote among African Americans,’’ McClellan said.

Although several of Bush’s top advisers, including National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of State Colin Powell and Education Secretary Roderick Paige are black, Bush’s tax policies and opposition to affirmative action have alienated many black voters, said Nathaniel Persily, a professor of law and politics at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia.

President Bush received the lowest percentage of the African American vote than any Republican president in recent memory,'' Persily said. The White House may havemade a calculation that the possibility for embarrassment at the NAACP meeting exceeded the possibility of gaining African American votes.’’

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[quote]Lumpy wrote:
Well the President is supposed to be the president for ALL Americans. At least that’s what they used to say in the old days.[/quote]

that is so true. but too bad there are millions of uneducated Americans who are too blind to see that and refuse to support Bush (who is the President right now) during his term in office.

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The president could have and would have an excellent relationship with blacks, if he’d try to address some of their concerns and issues, at least to a certain degree. Offhand, I can only think of Dubya’s pledge to fund AIDS work in Africa, as an issue that might strike a chord with blacks. And that’s not exactly an issue that hits close to home. (If I am not crediting Bush for something, then tell me). [/quote]

i somewhat agree with this, but I think that one of the reasons that most blacks vote Democrat is because of the past. When Roosevelt was President, he did some things that pleased the black community, which previous Presidents (a majority who were Republican) did not do. And after that, I believe that many blacks started taking Democratic views, and we’re now where we are today. Don’t get me wrong…I doubt this is the one and only reason most blacks vote Democratic, but i believe this plays a big part in it.

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That is quite a bold statement. I think you’ve got it completely backwards. The reason to do something as President is to just get votes? Is that all that matters? That is really crass. It suggests that Bush only does things that will get him re-elected. This is the exact opposite of the boasts about how “Bush doesn’t read polls” and he doesn’t do anything based on public opinion.

It’s like saying “you probably aren’t voting for me, so why should I care about you”. Not only is that poor leadership, it’s also poor politics. It’s called cutting off your nose to spite your face. It will set the GOP-NAACP relationship back quite a few years. It shows what a small tent the GOP actually has, as well as small thinking.

Do you think Kerry should not bother visiting any states where he thinks Bush will win? If Kerry wins, should he ignore the Bush (red) states as a leader? Or is a good president everyone’s president, even for the people who didn’t vote for him?[/quote]

you have a good argument, but I do believe that Bush is going around in an attempt to win votes. I mean, that’s what the election process is all about. You campaign to get votes, and if you’re elected, you do what you said you’d do (if you’re a good President)

but i strongly agree with the rest of your argument (not caring about nonsupporters, etc.)

[quote]Dustin wrote:
Or, maybe Bush can see that since he’s hated by these folks that it would be a waste of time. I reckon I won’t see Bush speak at a MoveOn.org rally, do you? See, that would be a waste of time also.[/quote]

no, no, no. That’s an immature way of thinking. Even though Bush has a small chance of getting many black votes, he should still try to win some. The worst thing to do is to do nothing. And, it’s not his fault if some people are going to close their ears to anything he says (I’m not stereotyping blacks…this is what many strongly-partisan people tend to do…which is not a good thing)

and while you’re at it, please get rid of your confederate flag. Maybe you’re one of those young kids who think it’s a cool flag, but isn’t racist in any way, but that flag represents hatred and is degrading to blacks as well as any minority group. Yes, it is a part of our history, but i’d rather try to forget that part of history or leave it alone than flaunt it. also, because you have it as your avatar, people may look at you in a negative way. that might be a little extreme, but seeing that as your avatar, the first thing on my mind was, “i wonder what this guy’s gonna say.” just my thoughts

-joe

[quote]Lumpy wrote:
Well the President is supposed to be the president for ALL Americans. At least that’s what they used to say in the old days.

The president could have and would have an excellent relationship with blacks, if he’d try to address some of their concerns and issues, at least to a certain degree. Offhand, I can only think of Dubya’s pledge to fund AIDS work in Africa, as an issue that might strike a chord with blacks. And that’s not exactly an issue that hits close to home. (If I am not crediting Bush for something, then tell me).

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Bush supports school vouchers and charter schools which would allow black parent’s to take their children out of failing public schools.

Bush wants to give Federal funds to church run rehab programs, many of which are run by black churches.

Bush eliminated the marriage penalty, thereby giving economic incentive for black parents to marry (the majority currently do not).

Bush is against gay marriages, which most blacks oppose also.

Lumpy,

Bush has about as much chance of winning the Black vote as Kerry does at winning the Southern Christian vote. I don’t see Kerry going after that voting block. Does he not want to be the President of all the people? Does that mean that he is turning his back on all Southern Christians, or does it mean that he can spend his time better elsewhere?

Um…it’s politics.

Wow! Someone who actually understands this after 75 years of dumbed-down socialist government education? Maybe there’s hope after all! Yes, slavery was the least of the issues behind the Civil War. (Less than 5% of the population owned slaves and it was politically well on its way to being dead and gone anyway.) Much more so it was the elitist North in danger of losing its tariffs from trade with the South. You can read stories about how the Northern forces simply brutalized entire towns of innocent citizens in the South (of course you didn’t learn about it in your government school, so you’ll have to do your own homework). And to you who call the Confederate flag a “symbol of hate,” get a life. It is a symbol of pride in one’s heritage and of a period in American history that represents freedom, individualism and gentility. It doesn’t mean “I hate Black people.” Robert E. Lee was a great man. And I’m from the north, so shut up! Fly your flag with pride, sir!

I find this puzzling.

Does anyone really think that blacks think alike and that “those people” have their own issues that only the NAACP can represent?

The president is under no obligation to speak to groups that are hostile to him. The NAACP long ago ceased being a mainstream civil rights organization, just like the ACLU has ceased being an organization devoted to civil liberties and freedom of expression. Why pretend that one organization “speaks for blacks.”?

Also, the President has offered to speak to other groups of conservative blacks in lieu of speaking to the NAACP. This is not a racial issue; it’s a political issue. Since the NAACP is basically an extension of the Democratic National Committee, I don’t think one should be any more surprised that the President would not wish to speak at their convention than one would be surprised that John Kerry would turn down an invitation to speak at the NRA convention (not that he would get one, but you know what I mean), a group with at least comparable membership in terms of numbers (I think the NRA is larger, but I don’t want to look it up right now).

I view it this way.

Perhaps Bush’s refusal to meet with the NAACP wil force that group to take a long, hard look at what it stands for.

The NAACP was once a shining beacon for civil rights. Now it is a shill for limtus-test liberal politics.

If I’m George W Bush, I worry about blacks as a whole, not what some narrow group thinks they represent. The NAACP doesn’t represent blacks anymore - only blacks that toe a certain political line.

The NAACP also doesn’t have the kind of power it once had - so it’s shrieking about Bush not showing up reflects its waning influence. Why would Bush bother with the NAACP? It’s not as though they are going to open-minded enough to hear Bush out and consider whether or not they will endorse him.

The NAACP needs to get out of the business of stereotyping blacks - assuming they all vote liberal is racist and insulting. Even if the overwhelming majority do, if the NAACP truly had black folks’ interests at heart, they would be inclusive, not exclusive.

So Bush skipping the NAACP makes as much sense as Ralph Nader skipping the Club for Growth annual barbecue. If the NAACP had bipartisan respect, which it should, given its listed objectives, then it would make more sense for Bush to go.

The fact that Bush is breaking a tradition ignores changes in the organization and responses to those changes. The NAACP once boasted of such luminaries and great Americans like Medgar Evers and Rosa Parks.

No more. After some of the remarks made in Bush’s direction in 2000, I doubt Bush has much respect for the group. And since the feeling is mutual, why does the NAACP want him there anyway?

The NAACP wants to set a trap. If Bush comes, he’ll get lambasted. If he doesn’t show, the group will lambast him for insulting and ignoring the Black community. It’d be a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don’t scenario if the NAACP had any political weight in the country.

But they are a shadow of what they once were.

Every one seems to forget that the NAACP Ripped into Bush for not supporting enhanced hate crime legislation after James Byrd was killed in texas when some idiots dragged him to his death in 1998. The NAACP even supported an add during the 2000 presidential campaign with Byrds Own daughter bashing Bush also. In fact, Bush supported the death penalty in which two of the murders received for the crime. I can see his point in foregoing the invitation.

bandgeek,

Thank you for your reply and refreshing knowledge of the CSA.

jo3,

I’m not changing my avatar. Your historical knowledge of the civil war era is horrible. Please do some reading and learn a bit more before you make baseless claim about the CSA representing hatred or some other nonsense.

Lumpy,

I’m still waiting on you to address my post. Don’t make drive by personal attacks and then hide.

Dustin

Peroutka in 04