So whats the cut off point?
and what does being a FFB contribute to this?
Im at about 173 pounds LBM(6foot1). Not alot, but im not a typical nub lifter.
Im a FFB big style and I think that starting from 10% will mean that I will be able to sustain a bulk longer before I give in to the need to stop fat regain.
thats what we are talking about really…10% start is good if you would otherwise let fat gain stop you bulking.
ideally fat gain shouldnt matter in the search for optimal muscle mass, but for the majority there is no point having the muscle without it looking good.
For an average joe wanting to bulk id still suggest doing 3-4 months strength training with gradually more and more eating before anything else.
Then is just opinion at what stage youve achieved a decent muscle base. and once you think you are done with the biggest bulk, then start from 10% for further dev?
I’m not the biggest or most experienced guy in these forums, but I’m I’ve made enough gains and learned a few things so as to be able to tell you the following without equivocation.
THERE IS NO UNIVERSALLY APPLICABLE CUTOFF POINT. No formula.
If I were ever in my life to write an article it would be about training intuition. It should develop in the first 1 to 2 years of very serious training and without it you’re lost.
Getting too fat DOES matter. Nobody is going to tell you that one has to be come a jiggling pig to gain muscle. However people who approach the weights with a set of calipers in one hand and a religious obsession with their abs in the other will die small.
If you simply concentrate on making gains, once those gains are coming at a solid rate, however much fat you are then carrying is how much you will have to put up with to continue growing and maybe a bit more. It’s better to overshoot a little.
Some may be able to do that at a fairly low BF level, but most will have to carry some more, and some maybe quite a bit more. However trying to apply formulas without that intuition will have you chasing your tail til the end of time.
To get big, you have to first think big, then train big, eat big and live big as a package. Nowadays people’s minds are firmly cemented on thinking about fat and then they wonder why they aren’t getting bigger.
Does not anybody understand anymore that once you have 50 additional pounds of muscle to burn fat with it will leave that much easier?
As for former fat boys, defined as somebody who was once obese enough to have altered their physiology in the direction of storing fat, they are relatively few in these forums. If someone actually is one it isn’t that terribly different. As they train and eat right they will lose fat and make gains.
Assuming they are acquiring that intuition once they level off and the fat loss slows down, it probably makes the most sense to keep eating what they’ve been and let the gains continue. Unless they are still pretty fat when the fat loss slows down, but I doubt that would usually be the case if they were on the right track to begin with.
In short if you get a grip on how this game works for you the fat will largely take care of itself until you have made gains sufficient to justify actually cutting. Tightening up SOME for the summer is maybe understandable, but trying to be ripped every spring will not work in your favor either over the long run.