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Bulking Cycle Without Deca or Tren

Can someone recommend a good bulking cycle for someone that is terrified of deca dick and can’t handle tren sides above 200mg?

Looking for something that will stack well with 500mg sustanon and is fairly easy on the sides.

Firs of all testosterone already will give about all the side effects you could spect from steroids. Secondly, deca dick only occours for whom takes it with testosterone. And anwsering your question, you will not need anything more than 500mg of testosterone to grow. It’s already a really high dose at all.

People take deca on its own? That basically goes against everything I’ve read about steroids. I thought it was basically standard practice to have test with every cycle and stack on top of that?

People are stupidy and ideological, especially on internet. Don’t you noticed it still?

Nandrolone was created to be used alone, as any other anabolics and the use of steroids with testosterone is a myth created by the gym rats. So yes, there are smart people who uses Nandrolone only, specially those who don’t like testosterone and high estrogen/androgenic levels leading to angry, depression, anxiety, gyno, baldness, etc.

Well I’m here for opinions and I appreciate yours. Think I’ll stick around and see what others have to say though.

Well I pretty much disagree with everything @bochinit said. First question… are you on TRT or a PCT guy. EQ is an option but if you are PCT I don’t like it due to the long ester and clearance time. Several orals will do it. I consider dbol a very friendly oral. Makes most men feel good, decent size, and the E2 is manageable in moderate to low doses.

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Yeah, maybe should’ve added a bit of history. I’m on TRT (125mg sust/wk). Previous cycles have been 500mg test only, test & tren ace and test & tren e. I like low dose tren ace for recomp but anything over 200mg (ace or e) and the sides start getting to me. Night sweats, insomnia, paranoia, it’s not fun.

I’d rather avoid orals if I can because I don’t wanna mess with my liver.

The only other compound that’s been friendly to me other than test is masteron but it’s not going to add a lot of size. FWIW though the big size adders are not real size and you lose it quickly. I prefer sticking with test/mast and focusing on the diet to do the work whether it’s bulking or cutting.

How would they account for the minimal conversion to estradiol?

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I may just stick with test only cycles for bulking then. I had considered EQ but I remember it being kinda pricey.

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Nandrolone converts much less to e2 than testosterone but still converts. It suits amazing for those who can’t handle high e2 levels. But let’s forget about this, the topic is for another threat.

So basically, no one knows what causes it. Exactly the reason I wanna steer clear!

Go with either EQ or just test again with some add-on at the end. No need to complicate things if you’ve gotten good results before and just want to repeat them.

How much EQ would you recommend with 500mg test? Any ancillaries required other than an AI?

Nandrolone does not elevate prolactin, it do the exactly opose, it lowers it. But only when used alone because testosterone is the culprit of this. As we seen also in the deca dick myth too. Nandrolone can made you less horny than testosterone yes but because of lesser androgenicity, but won’t give ed. In fact DHN, otherwise the other myth says, is also androgenic enough to produce libido. Not like Testosterone, but still will.

Thanks for the info but you’re arguing for a compound I’ve specifically said I’m not interested in. You are also the only person I’ve ever heard say to not base your cycle around testosterone. I’m still gonna give deca a miss.

If you combine EQ and an AI you are asking for bad times. 1:1 with test is considered the standard.

Sorry I was not trying to convince you to use, just talking to the another guy.

Thanks dude. I’d read the EQ metabolites can have an AI effect. One less thing to stock up on, I guess! As for cycle length, I know it takes a while to reach peak saturation. Would you recommend 16 weeks or longer?