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Budgeting for Cycles


#1

Assuming a good cycle with complete PCT's, what is a pretty good number for budgeting a decent stack? This may be up to a year away, but I'd like to start figuring out up front what kind of numbers I'm facing.


#2

All I can say is that your first cycle will be your most expensive because of the AI’s/PCT/Needles. But when you buy them the first time you should have a good amount left over for your next cycle were you will just primarily be buying the AAS.


#3

[quote]xenomorph8472 wrote:
Assuming a good cycle with complete PCT’s, what is a pretty good number for budgeting a decent stack? This may be up to a year away, but I’d like to start figuring out up front what kind of numbers I’m facing. [/quote]
$300-500 depending. I’m sure some do better or worse.


#4

per vial

test prop 20-30
test E 35-45
tren A 25-50
tren E 30-60
deca 30-50
NPP 25-35

notice I didn’t include eq, cuz it’s shit… didn’t include orals, cuz IMO, they should only be used during cutting.


#5

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
per vial

test prop 20-30
test E 35-45
tren A 25-50
tren E 30-60
deca 30-50
NPP 25-35

notice I didn’t include eq, cuz it’s shit… didn’t include orals, cuz IMO, they should only be used during cutting. [/quote]

See those are good UGL prices, what do you think about pharmgrade gear? Do you think its worth the increase in prices? Which is at least 50-100%.


#6

All depends on your source, what your running, at what dose and for how long.

A decent cycle shouldn’t run you over 500 for everything


#7

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
per vial

test prop 20-30
test E 35-45
tren A 25-50
tren E 30-60
deca 30-50
NPP 25-35

notice I didn’t include eq, cuz it’s shit… didn’t include orals, cuz IMO, they should only be used during cutting. [/quote]

Agreed on orals. I don’t see why people want to use them so often.

And OP it all depends on how much you want to run and what you want to run…


#8

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
per vial

test prop 20-30
test E 35-45
tren A 25-50
tren E 30-60
deca 30-50
NPP 25-35

notice I didn’t include eq, cuz it’s shit… didn’t include orals, cuz IMO, they should only be used during cutting. [/quote]

initially I was like damn those prices are good, however per vial isnt all too much to go off of, vials can differ in volume and concentration.


#9

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
per vial

test prop 20-30
test E 35-45
tren A 25-50
tren E 30-60
deca 30-50
NPP 25-35

notice I didn’t include eq, cuz it’s shit… didn’t include orals, cuz IMO, they should only be used during cutting. [/quote]

See those are good UGL prices, what do you think about pharmgrade gear? Do you think its worth the increase in prices? Which is at least 50-100%.
[/quote]

unless you are getting your gear directly from the doctor, it’s not pharm grade.

[quote]c.m.l. wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
per vial

test prop 20-30
test E 35-45
tren A 25-50
tren E 30-60
deca 30-50
NPP 25-35

notice I didn’t include eq, cuz it’s shit… didn’t include orals, cuz IMO, they should only be used during cutting. [/quote]

initially I was like damn those prices are good, however per vial isnt all too much to go off of, vials can differ in volume and concentration.
[/quote]

this is assuming that all concentrations are standard


#10

Its pretty easy to budget for the gear. 1000mg Test and 500mg of Tren for 15 weeks

Gear- 3 20ml vials Test 250mg and 2 20ml vials Tren E 250 is 450 (with shipping)
Pins and sterilization supplies- $15

total $465

I put $30 dollars a week to the side and after 15 week blast and 6 week cruise I have a easy $500+ to spend on next go easy enough. Changing up a few compounds as needed or just to save a little cash may switch from Tren to Deca or something along those lines


#11

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
per vial

test prop 20-30
test E 35-45
tren A 25-50
tren E 30-60
deca 30-50
NPP 25-35

notice I didn’t include eq, cuz it’s shit… didn’t include orals, cuz IMO, they should only be used during cutting. [/quote]

See those are good UGL prices, what do you think about pharmgrade gear? Do you think its worth the increase in prices? Which is at least 50-100%.
[/quote]

unless you are getting your gear directly from the doctor, it’s not pharm grade.

[quote]c.m.l. wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
per vial

test prop 20-30
test E 35-45
tren A 25-50
tren E 30-60
deca 30-50
NPP 25-35

notice I didn’t include eq, cuz it’s shit… didn’t include orals, cuz IMO, they should only be used during cutting. [/quote]

initially I was like damn those prices are good, however per vial isnt all too much to go off of, vials can differ in volume and concentration.
[/quote]

this is assuming that all concentrations are standard [/quote]

What happens to be the standard? I would venture a guess and say 10ml vials @ 100mg/ml although this is not what I usually acquire.


#12

For anyone using any significant amounts of steroids, howmebrewing is the answer. your gear turns out to be dirt cheap, and it isn’t THAT hard to find a good supplier. I have found mine with about 30 mins of web search.


#13

[quote]c.m.l. wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
per vial

test prop 20-30
test E 35-45
tren A 25-50
tren E 30-60
deca 30-50
NPP 25-35

notice I didn’t include eq, cuz it’s shit… didn’t include orals, cuz IMO, they should only be used during cutting. [/quote]

See those are good UGL prices, what do you think about pharmgrade gear? Do you think its worth the increase in prices? Which is at least 50-100%.
[/quote]

unless you are getting your gear directly from the doctor, it’s not pharm grade.

[quote]c.m.l. wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
per vial

test prop 20-30
test E 35-45
tren A 25-50
tren E 30-60
deca 30-50
NPP 25-35

notice I didn’t include eq, cuz it’s shit… didn’t include orals, cuz IMO, they should only be used during cutting. [/quote]

initially I was like damn those prices are good, however per vial isnt all too much to go off of, vials can differ in volume and concentration.
[/quote]

this is assuming that all concentrations are standard [/quote]

What happens to be the standard? I would venture a guess and say 10ml vials @ 100mg/ml although this is not what I usually acquire.
[/quote]

These seem pretty standard through a few UGLs I know.
test prop 100mg
test E 250mg
tren A 100mg
tren E 200mg
deca 200mg
NPP 100mg

Pricing for pharma grade is anywhere from 2-4 times the price and occasionally more favorable dosings.


#14

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
per vial

test prop 20-30
test E 35-45
tren A 25-50
tren E 30-60
deca 30-50
NPP 25-35

notice I didn’t include eq, cuz it’s shit… didn’t include orals, cuz IMO, they should only be used during cutting. [/quote]

See those are good UGL prices, what do you think about pharmgrade gear? Do you think its worth the increase in prices? Which is at least 50-100%.
[/quote]

unless you are getting your gear directly from the doctor, it’s not pharm grade.

[/quote]

You sure about that? I mean i have a vial of prop here that i bought thinking it was pharmgrade. Its from a hookup that knows a guy in Greece that he gives him the order and he just gets it there. It looks pretty freaken legit.


#15

[quote]niksamaras wrote:
For anyone using any significant amounts of steroids, howmebrewing is the answer. your gear turns out to be dirt cheap, and it isn’t THAT hard to find a good supplier. I have found mine with about 30 mins of web search.[/quote]

yes but if you get caught, you are screwed

if customs intercepts your package they WILL be delivering it themselves


#16

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
per vial

test prop 20-30
test E 35-45
tren A 25-50
tren E 30-60
deca 30-50
NPP 25-35

notice I didn’t include eq, cuz it’s shit… didn’t include orals, cuz IMO, they should only be used during cutting. [/quote]

See those are good UGL prices, what do you think about pharmgrade gear? Do you think its worth the increase in prices? Which is at least 50-100%.
[/quote]

unless you are getting your gear directly from the doctor, it’s not pharm grade.

[/quote]

You sure about that? I mean i have a vial of prop here that i bought thinking it was pharmgrade. Its from a hookup that knows a guy in Greece that he gives him the order and he just gets it there. It looks pretty freaken legit. [/quote]

sounds highly suspect… though my last supplier purposely overdosed his gear in order to eliminate competition. his test E scored higher on blood tests than legit USA pharm


#17

[quote]niksamaras wrote:
For anyone using any significant amounts of steroids, howmebrewing is the answer. your gear turns out to be dirt cheap, and it isn’t THAT hard to find a good supplier. I have found mine with about 30 mins of web search.[/quote]

Supplier of what exactly? Do you merely put together the raw powders or play with a conversion of sorts?

When I hear homebrew I think chemistry, even if its just breaking down steer pellets. Putting powder together is like saying I homebrew my protein shakes.


#18

Love being able to just walk to the chemist.


#19

[quote]c.m.l. wrote:

[quote]niksamaras wrote:
For anyone using any significant amounts of steroids, howmebrewing is the answer. your gear turns out to be dirt cheap, and it isn’t THAT hard to find a good supplier. I have found mine with about 30 mins of web search.[/quote]

Supplier of what exactly? Do you merely put together the raw powders or play with a conversion of sorts?

When I hear homebrew I think chemistry, even if its just breaking down steer pellets. Putting powder together is like saying I homebrew my protein shakes.
[/quote]

Yes home brewing is making your own gear. Yes it does require a few low level chemisty skills but its very easy if your half intelligent.


#20

Appreciate the responses guys…