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I just bought some from bodybuilding dot com, even though they suck and still havnt shipped it after 2 1/2 weeks while fucking up my order. But beside that, is there anythings I should worried about with it and while taking it? Is it good/ bad? Whats your opinion on the product?

Also I am not sure if its good to have the creatine with caffeine…

I hear it makes great kitty litter.

have you used the search function on this site?

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=556124
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=556939

[quote]PpDdAiDdDdYy wrote:
I just bought some from bodybuilding dot com, even though they suck and still havnt shipped it after 2 1/2 weeks while fucking up my order. But beside that, is there anythings I should worried about with it and while taking it? Is it good/ bad? Whats your opinion on the product?

Also I am not sure if its good to have the creatine with caffeine…[/quote]

Make sure you get yourself psyched before you take it, in order to maximize the placebo effect.

you could of bought a lot of coffee with that money.

[quote]swordthrower wrote:

Make sure you get yourself psyched before you take it, in order to maximize the placebo effect.[/quote]

Reading their ads over and over again will also help with the placebo effect.

If anyone tries to talk you out of taking it, give them some slack. They just haven’t been as brainwashed by the ads as others, so they don’t understand the true powers of mind over matter.

Does it work? Yeah, it actually does help. Is it worth the money? Not in my opinion.

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
have you used the search function on this site?

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=556124

Talk about being “brainwashed”. Get a mind that works for itself!

Stop relying on a study that has no scientific structure and is full of errors and inconsistencies.

[quote]GathCity wrote:
Talk about being “brainwashed”. Get a mind that works for itself!

Stop relying on a study that has no scientific structure and is full of errors and inconsistencies.[/quote]

Please by all means find us one that contradicts it and actually says this stuff is worth it…

[quote]GathCity wrote:
Talk about being “brainwashed”. Get a mind that works for itself!

Stop relying on a study that has no scientific structure and is full of errors and inconsistencies.[/quote]

I have one, and EVERY piece of info I have read on NO that wasn’t written by BSN says its total garbage. Heres another:

Supplements that reportedly increase nitric oxide levels within the body are currently being marketed as powerful muscle builders. The marketers of these supplements claim they increase nitric oxide levels within muscle tissue and a dramatic increase in muscle size, strength is experienced. Other claims also include an increase in fast-twitch muscle fiber strength, endurance, power output, and load capacity from taking these supplements. These reported benefits are quite specific, so I decided to scan the literature for the scientific evidence that supports these claims.

Nitric Oxide ? what is it?

Nitric oxide is a colorless, free radical gas commonly found in tissues of all mammals (it?s also prepared commercially by passing air through an electric arc). Biologically, nitric oxide has been shown to be an important neuro-messenger in a number of vertebrate signal transduction processes. Nitric oxide is used in medical treatment; for example, nitroglycerin ameliorates the pain of angina by supplying nitric oxide to the blood vessels that supply the heart. The popular drug Viagra controls erection by regulating nitric oxide in the penile cartilage chamber.

The Research and the Claims

I don?t know where the marketers obtained their literature on nitric oxide. It looks like they are using the same journals as the companies selling Myostatin inhibitors ? Alice in Wonderland. Although nitric oxide acts as a cell-to-cell communicator for certain metabolic functions, muscle growth is not one of them. After a review of the available literature I cannot find any research that remotely indicates increasing nitric oxide levels plays a part in increasing protein synthesis, contractile strength or any other biochemical pathway that may lead to increases in muscle mass.

For a company to claim their supplement increases ?fast-twitch? muscle strength, the promoters must have instigated or funded some kind of research that involved biopsy procedures and histochemical analyses to extract, assesses and identify these particular muscle fibers from animals or humans, before and after supplementation. However, I could find no documentation (either on their web sites or via a literature scan) that details these findings, only the marketing claims. As far as I?m aware, there is zero scientific evidence supporting the notion that nitric oxide supplements increase ?fast-twitch? muscle strength.

There also appears to be no evidence whatsoever that shows increasing nitric oxide levels enhances endurance, power output, and load capacity.

Arginine alpha-ketogluterate is the ?active? ingredient reported by one company that sells this type of supplement. It is claimed that this compound increases and maintains a constantly high level of nitric oxide in muscle. Nitric oxide is synthesized within the body using the amino acid arginine, the energy cyclic substrate NADPH, and oxygen. Nitric oxide diffuses freely across membranes but it is a transient signaling molecule. Nitric oxide is by nature, a highly reactive gas that has an extremely short life ? less than a few seconds. While there is a lot of research on the effects of nitric oxide, there is no research that shows supplementation with arginine alpha-ketogluterate increases or sustains nitric oxide levels in any human or animal organs.

Can you imagine, a supplement that ?creates dramatic increases in muscle size, strength, endurance, power output, and load capacity?, but not a single study to support these claims. Nothing new here. Unfortunately, this is typical sports nutrition marketing bullshit. It’s sad, misleading, and shows you just what these companies think of the intelligence level of their target market.

When new products burst onto the market, you the consumer can cut through the advertising hype quite easily. Simply ask the supplement company making the claims to “show you the research”. A reference is a start, but the actual research study is particularly what your after. You want to see the study, the protocol, the outcome and the University at which the study was conducted. In the present case, you want to see a study showing were this supplement actually increased nitric oxide above a control group, and you want to see the data that demonstrates an increase in lean muscle mass, significantly more than the group without elevated nitric oxide levels.

The fact is, there is no science supporting any of the claims made for so-called nitric oxide supplements. There is no science showing they have any effect on nitric oxide levels and certainly no science showing in effects on muscle growth or increased performance.

Ask yourself why there is no research to support these companies? wild claims. The simple answer is that research is expensive, make believe products are not. Research provides evidence, fraudulent supplement marketing only delivers hype. It?s far more financially rewarding to sell hype than to produce effective supplements backed by science.

One promoter of a nitric oxide supplement claims to have ?brought creatine supplementation to the market? and that their supplement is ?the perfected version of creatine?. I?m not sure which market is being referred to but creatine has been used as a supplement for over 40 years. And in NO way are nitric oxide supplements a ?perfected version of creatine?. They are nothing like creatine. While creatine is backed by a wealth of research, nitric oxide supplements do not have a shred of scientific evidence that justifies their effectiveness as a bodybuilding supplements.

Bottom line, money spent on these products is money flushed down the toilet.

Read the Real Science

1. Nathan C. Nitric oxide as a secretory product of mammalian cells. FASEB J 1992 6(12):3051-64.

2. Mayer B; Hemmens B. Biosynthesis and action of nitric oxide in mammalian cells. Trends Biochem Sci 1997 22(12):477-81.

3. Janabi N; Chabrier S; Tardieu M. Endogenous nitric oxide activates prostaglandin F2 alpha production in human microglial cells but not in astrocytes: a study of interactions between eicosanoids, nitric oxide, and superoxide anion (O2-) regulatory pathways. J Immunol 1996 1;157(5):2129-35.

4. Esposito C; Cozzolino A; Porta R; Mariniello L; Buommino E; Morelli F; Metafora V; Metafora S. Protein SV-IV promotes nitric oxide production not associated with apoptosis in murine macrophages. Eur J Cell Biol 2002 81(4):185-96.

5. Eckmann L; Laurent F; Langford TD; Hetsko ML; Smith JR; Kagnoff MF; Gillin FD. Nitric oxide production by human intestinal epithelial cells and competition for arginine as potential determinants of host defense against the lumen-dwelling pathogen Giardia lamblia. J Immunol 2000 1;164(3):1478-87.

6. Kelly RA; Smith TW. Nitric oxide and nitrovasodilators: similarities, differences, and interactions. Am J Cardiol 1996 30;77(13):2C-7C.

7. Stryer L. Biochemistry 4th Ed. Freeman & Co. 1997.

Well I wish i new before i spent thirty bucks on it. I new three kids taking it so I figured I would try it. Plus initially I was looking for a creatine product. What came up as the number 1 product was this stuff.

Do you consume 1.5 grams of protien per pound of lean bodyweight ? Do you eat 6 meals a day ? Do you use fish oils and a multi ? Do you drink a gallon of water a day and eat as many greens as possible ? Can you tell me how many calories you need and break that down into a macronutrient ratio ?

If not, you don’t need any supps except for protien powders Metabolic Drive/MRPs like Grow! etc/MRP bars i.e. Metabolic Drive bars. Seriously, I am going under the assumption you don’t have a solid diet. Worry about the important things before all these extras like creatine (which does work for most people but is not essential).

[quote]t3h_Squirr3l wrote:
Do you consume 1.5 grams of protien per pound of lean bodyweight ? Do you eat 6 meals a day ? Do you use fish oils and a multi ? Do you drink a gallon of water a day and eat as many greens as possible ? Can you tell me how many calories you need and break that down into a macronutrient ratio ?

If not, you don’t need any supps except for protien powders Metabolic Drive/MRPs like Grow! etc/MRP bars i.e. Metabolic Drive bars. Seriously, I am going under the assumption you don’t have a solid diet. Worry about the important things before all these extras like creatine (which does work for most people but is not essential).[/quote]

I eat 1 or 2 Big meals a day with maybe 3 or 4 small meals and snacking inbetween. I have been taking 2 protein shakes a day. I dont know of and have never heard of MRP. I drink 2 gallons of whole milk a week. I lift 6 to7 days a week. I am using a workout plan from:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=58630217A10948617D00D74E4A51FA91.hydra?id=459265&pageNo=0#bottom

doing 3 days of bench press a week and the other three days are squats. with some alternate exercises after. I have been looking for anything that would help.

What i concider a big meal is when i almost throw up. other meals are usually till i am about full.

so u suggest:
Grow!
Surge
Metabolic Drive bars.

What do Metabolic Drive bars do? and when should i take them?

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
have you used the search function on this site?

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=556124
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=556939[/quote]

I read the second article and it said stuff about luceine.
100% gold standard whey protein has some of that luceine in it. Should i still get a supplement for that too like the Surge i think he has there

As it were, the bars act as a meal replacement if you can’t have solid food. I’d reccomend whole, solid food as much as possible. You don’t need a meal replacement powder if you can fit 6 meals a day, but if you can’t, then consider meal replacement bars and shakes; this is of course if you have the money for it. If not, good ol’ chocolate milk and pb sammiches work.

I’d reccomend:

Breakfast- Eggs, oatmeal (with protien powder in it if you don’t/can’t eat eggs), whole wheat toast with natural pb, perhaps ham or lean breakfast meats. Basically pick a protien source and have some whole grains with it. Also, have some fruit. Bluberries are really good, but anything will do.

Snack- Maybe a MRP bar or shake or if you want, some chocolate milk and beef jerkey and some natural almonds/walnuts etc. PB on whole wheat can be done, more fruit. Example: I would drink 500 ml of choclate milk, have a hanful of natural almonds and maybe an apple.

Lunch- protien source…greens. You can have a shake or bar if in a rush. But again, try to get as much solid food as you can in.

Snack- Same as above

Dinner- meat of some kind, greens

Pre-bed: milk with protien powder in it, or cottage cheese, or just a few tablespoon of PB with a lotta milk i.e. 16 ozs.

Pre-workout: protien and carbs. an even amount. Fast digesting. Here is where a protien powder is a good idea. Have some fruit or gatorade, juice or maybe chocolate milk.

Post workout: chcocolate milk works here, protien powder and gatorade, juice etc.

what about cottage cheese? It is very high in protein.

I think cottage cheese is an excellent food, albeit a tad on the pricey side. The only draw back that I can think of is that it is a dairy product so some people might have issues with it.

[quote]PpDdAiDdDdYy wrote:
I just bought some from bodybuilding dot com, even though they suck and still havnt shipped it after 2 1/2 weeks while fucking up my order. But beside that, is there anythings I should worried about with it and while taking it? Is it good/ bad? Whats your opinion on the product?

Also I am not sure if its good to have the creatine with caffeine…[/quote]

the bottle makes a good door stop,waste of cash

What about the effects of the creatine and the caffeine I am sure that helps…

Also I have heard fast twitch muscle does exist. There are two kinds of muscle, each with two other subgroups.

The two kinds are slow motion and fast twitch. The slow motion you work with low reps high weight and the other you work with high reps and low weight.

Yes there are two sorts of muscle fibre. However, this product won’t hit a specific sort of fibre.