Do you have any photos of your back development?
I ask, because KingBeef had some incredibly impressive back development, and as far as I’m aware did minimal deadlifting. It would be interesting to compare for sure.
And I wouldn’t necessarily include some sort of deadlift variation, no. I think those are great movements, but not required to successfully build size and strength.
You mentioned Dan John, and he advises a hip hinge movement, but also explains that this doesn’t necessarily have to be the deadlift. He’s a big fan of the kettlebell swing, and I think it’s a great movmeent.
The Ironmind Squat-dip-chin program is another stellar approach to getting bigger and stronger that involves no deadlifts, and is very big on training economy.
Essentially, I don’t see absence of deadlift in a program to be a red flag.
Kingbeef has way more muscle mass than me, so if that’s how we’re going to assess the effectiveness of deadlifts we’re not going to get very far, lol.
Apparently Kingbeef also had an entire day in his split where he just did shrugs, abs, wrist curls and calf raises (not a single compound movement). If I started doing that, would I look more like him?
Dan John talks about the hip hinge pattern yes, but he also talks a lot about the importance of picking heavy things up off the floor. And he specifically discusses the deadlift in multiple articles.
Anyway, I’m not saying everybody always should do deadlifts. Just that it’s a good lift for most people to consider including. I think that because 1) I feel I’ve had success with it and 2) pretty much every lifting authority I’m aware of recommends them (with the possible exception of Paul Carter, who tends to include RDLs instead. And Kingbeef, of course).
I’d say if you dedicated a day to abs, shrugs, calves and forearms you would definitely look more like Kingbeef than not.
I don’t quite understand your aversion to direclty training these muscle groups. If one’s goal is to make those muscles bigger, training them becomes necessary.
I agree that Dan John had discussed the deadlift in multiple articles and the importance of picking heavy things off the floor. Right now, I’d say my favorite object for that is the sandbag.
I’ve known many successful bodybuilders who don’t deadlift. It’s why, when someone’s goal is physique, I don’t see the necessity of it.
Perhaps the issue is that I don’t know what makes a person a lifting authority. I know of powerlifting authorities, strongman authorities, bodybuilding authorities, etc, but when we start getting into the neboulous realm of “just lifting”, things get blurry.