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Broken Hammer - Caused by Nolva/Clomid?

I started Clomid/Nolva ED roughly two weeks ago.
Clomid:
Nolva:

My testicles have gotten noticablly bigger, thank god, but lately with my girlfriend I’ve suffered bouts of ED and absolutely ZERO sex drive. Utterly pathetic. It’s kind of interesting to see it from the other side actually, she constantly wants sex and I’m usually thinking of ways to NOT have sex. Not only that I find myself faking it to finish early.

From one of the articles I read on this forum
"Libido reduction & erectile dysfunction -

Erectile dysfunction, low libido, and general impotence are typical complaints from men recently discontinuing steroids or HRT therapy, which is often combated by Clomid or Nolvadex, paradoxically so.

Regardless of any positive effects on fertility or testosterone levels, Clomid and Nolvadex use is highly correlated with erectile dysfunction, libido suppression, and even emotional disorders."

From the experience of the users here, do these bouts of ED and lack of sex drive go away when the PCT is over?

Thanks,
Josh

it’s never happened to me, but i know guys that say their libido drops to zero on PCT but comes back after.

not the most scientific response I’m afraid but that’s what I’ve heard.

SERMs wreak havoc on the libido of some men. As you know, they dont prevent estrogen from occuring in your body. They merely just keep it from acting on certain tissues (breast tissue in particular). So if you have high E2 in your blood, then you are not blocking it from exerting effects elsewhere. This can really tank the libido, and cause temporary ED.

If you’ve never had this problem before, you will probably be fine when you are done with PCT. If youre still feeling shitty a couple weeks after, go get bloodwork done.

look up Vmaxx rx…

if you just wanna be able to pound and satisfy your girl try it… its natural and OTC… if i plan on drinking a bit and still want to perform i’ve used it… gives a bit of indigestion some times… but… its worth it… lol

I had the somewhat the same problem as you, It does get better with some time. For this reason I think a test taper and SERM PCT is much better than a stand alone SERM PCT. Even the smallest amont of test did wonders for my sex drive, hardness, energy and sense of well being. Something for you to think about any way.

Perfect. Thanks for the info. I’ll wait it out a few weeks. I just finished my PCT and am going to get a blood test at the beginning of June.

So vt… If estrogen is the culprit and not the sem, then tapering aromasisn through pct would likely help… Correct?

Serm not sem

[quote]aaron777 wrote:
So vt… If estrogen is the culprit and not the sem, then tapering aromasisn through pct would likely help… Correct?[/quote]

Interesting … Why would you wanna taper it though?

Well i am a complete newb… but from what i understand it is tapered because if it is suddenly discontinued there is a possibility of estrogen rebound…

[quote]aaron777 wrote:
Well i am a complete newb… but from what i understand it is tapered because if it is suddenly discontinued there is a possibility of estrogen rebound… [/quote]

I don’t put a lot of stock in the estrogen rebound theory. As far as I know, there is no literature demonstrating this. IMO it was just borne of bro science from guys that didn’t fully recover during PCT and were looking for something to blame it on.

Yes Aromasin could help with the overall plasma levels of E2. Though I’m not really sure if it would be fully effective. There are studies that show Anastrozole partially negates the effects of SERMs. I dont know of any showing the same for Aromasin, but it is possible they just haven’t been performed. Though its also possible Aromasin’s mechanism of action is also different enough from anastrozole that it would be effective.

Bottom line: give it a try and see if it works!

VTBalla, Anthony Roberts has an article on his style of pct and he talks about aromasin and why SERMS dont negate the effects of this AI particularly.

Link if interested:

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_gear/steroid_newbie_thread_help_build_it_vets?id=354419&pageNo=7

Its page 7, mid page, posted by “guru”

I crash E2 hard before starting PCT. Cut HCG atleast 1 week out and increase ADex towards end of cycle.

Keeps you horny and looking hard into your PCT, and makes recovery a breeze. Also don’t forget the litany of food and drink that contain bitchloads of estrogen. Avoid these.

Also overtraining, immediatly after coming off exo-androgens you are heavily suppressed. Don’t kill yourself trying to ‘keep your gains’, for atleast a couple weeks be a training minimalist. This may also explain the libido.

Cheers,
-PTD

Bro-Science warning

OP, whats your bodyfat at? Anecdotally, the people suffering from high E2 syptoms tend to carry more bodyfat. Just curious. Also if you troll the more ‘bro’ oriented AAS forums, everybody ‘knows’ its easier to recover from a cutting cycle than a bulking cycle. Thoughts?

topic unrelated


Little back story in OP. In October 2008 I was 305lbs (coming off of three consecutive ACL repairs) - After a full year recovery in 2009 I got myself back down to 180lbs lean(ish).

The following three years I lifted HARD and HEAVY and ate quite well, but in all honestly my gains were minimal and I always suspected the rapid weight loss messed with my chemicals. So I got tested at my T Total and T Free were below average, in-which I began TRT.

But in my cycle I was probably around 13-17% BF. I put on 23lbs of muscle in 12wks.

I’ve only lost 3-5lbs since my last pin, which was over a month ago. Overall I’m pretty happy.

congrats on the weight loss man, very impressive

I’ve been using plain old Fenugreek seed extract which I bought for $6.00, and it works amazingly. my libido went up faster than it did on tribulus. I’ thinking about sex more and having spontaneous erections. I’m 38 and have been lifting and using steroids for over 20 years. The only problem with fenugreek, is it gives you worse b.o. than a sikh on a humid August afternoon.

[quote]benchaffleck wrote:
I’ve been using plain old Fenugreek seed extract which I bought for $6.00, and it works amazingly. my libido went up faster than it did on tribulus. I’ thinking about sex more and having spontaneous erections. I’m 38 and have been lifting and using steroids for over 20 years. The only problem with fenugreek, is it gives you worse b.o. than a sikh on a humid August afternoon.[/quote]

I researched it. Loved reading about it. Purchased it.

Thanks.

[quote]benchaffleck wrote:
I’ve been using plain old Fenugreek seed extract which I bought for $6.00, and it works amazingly. my libido went up faster than it did on tribulus. I’ thinking about sex more and having spontaneous erections. I’m 38 and have been lifting and using steroids for over 20 years. The only problem with fenugreek, is it gives you worse b.o. than a sikh on a humid August afternoon.[/quote]

I love it, it makes my sweat smell like maple syrup.