[quote]lou21 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
makkun wrote:
Oh no - another statistic by the Daily Mail (a well established source for reliable statistics), based on figures assembled by the Tories no less. The truth is finally out.
I would trust the Tories to be a little bit more truthful than NuLabour, maybe not a lot more but it is quite believable that for certain types violent crime the US is safer than the UK.
I am sure that a lot of British won’t want to believe that article is accurate. Even amongst my relatives I find that the British have this delusion that just because they don’t have firearms Britain is safe from violent crime, unlike the “fucking Yanks” with all their guns making them violent.
What happens next is that Sifu will come along and blame immigrants and Nulabour (and Guardinistas), and that only the BNP can save us, irrespective of any statistic one might post (which of course are all forged by the government).
Do tell Makkun, it sounds like you find them blameless. Do you?
There is a reason why the Labour party is called NuLabour. The reason why Labour had to be rebranded as NuLabour is because the last time they held power they ruined the economy and were bringing in boatloads of immigrants and using them for gerrymandering. That is why Margaret Thatcher is seen as such a saviour. There is nothing new about NuLabour it was just a gimmick that the British were stupid enough to fall for because the Tories got complacent with power.
The mess that has been made of Britain is very much the fault of Labour. They are soft on crime. They have always been bleeding hearts who can’t stand bad people suffering the consequences of their bad behaviour. The papers in Britain are full of acts of mayhem where the perpetrators are only doing a year or two in jail or just getting a fine for something that in the US would result in the perp doing 10yrs, 20yrs or even life. ie In the US we don’t have absurdities of the law such as one punch manslaughter allowing people to get away with murder.
Then there has been the systematic destruction and politicization of the police. NuLabour has made the courts and the police useless to the point that a lot of people don’t even bother reporting crime anymore.
If immigration is causing the rise in crime that again is the fault of NuLabour because they are the ones who ended border controls. They do not screen prospective immigrants, they do not take into consideration where they are coming from, they will take anyone from anywhere. They don’t even deport illegal immigrants, who have committed crimes, who have been all the way through the legal process and had a court say tey can’t stay in Britain any longer.
I’ll agree about New Labour and old Labour on the economy. They certainly do have a nasty habit of screwing it up and making everyone but a few a lot worse off. [/quote]
The economic policies of Labour have destroyed entire industries that were world leaders. But economic mismanagement is not the only bad similarity between old and Nulabour another thing they have in common is taking the mainstream people for granted and being preoccupied with the welfare of other groups like the criminals.
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And yeah I’ll agree about the immigration under New Labour they have taken the piss out of the British voter extensivly with their immigration policy. [/quote]
They act as if they have a mandate from the people to engage in mass immigration on a scale rivalling America at the turn of the twentieth century yet there never was a vote. Just like there never was a vote on adopting a new constitution that transfers the peoples sovereignty to the EU.
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I’ll also agree about their abuse of statistics. The way crimes and illnesses are counted in the UK is beyond funny. Even minor crimes. I recently was with a girl who was pickpocketed in a shopping center. I insisted she went to the police. They refused to register the crime because there is according the desk monkey no way to solve the crime. Now I hate security camera’s more than the next guy but seriously what are they there for if it’s not to solve crimes like this? [/quote]
The cameras are there to get the British people conditioned so that they are comfortable with the government monitoring their every move and so the government can monitor those who it considers threats to it’s power. Crimes against the little people like your friend don’t wattant the use of such a power.
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The trouble is the Tories are no better. Yes they do tend to fix our economy. But speeches like “there is no such thing as society” certainly didn’t help to make our country a better place. Nor did so many of Thatcher’s policies. Although I did love the old home secretery (John Howard?)'s view that most crime is commited by criminals and that by locking them up for longer the public were safer.[/quote]
The Tories aren’t going to be much better, because they are owned by the same masters. But at least they aren’t all hung up on being all bleeding hearted for the most dysfunctional part of society suffering the consequences of their actions. The liberals are too hung up on the poor lads being punished by being put in jail. They have lost the concept that putting people in jail is not just about punishing them. some people need to be put in jail and kept there for an extended amount of time because they are dangerous.
Look at all the public relations intiatives they keep talking about for how they are going to take people caught carrying knives and put them in jail for years. Everytime I see one of these initiatives in the news I wonder why instead of going after people carrying knives don’t they instead concentrate on locking up the criminals who have already committed a violent crime and hurt someone. A big part of the reason why people feel the need to carry knives is because they feel they need to protect themselves and they don’t have faith in the criminal justice system’s ability to protect them from violence because they see murderers and other violent criminals getting off with light sentences.
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The other thing is the Daily Mail is not a viable source of independent news. They stir up every story to sell papers in a tabloid manor. Trouble is they do it with real issues instead of reality TV stars. There is no way the UK has as much violent crime as RSA. I mean one in three women have been raped there according to one story I read recently. As bas as the UK there is no way we are that bad. Yet. [/quote]
Sure you have to take what the Mail writes with a grain of salt but they do dig up some stuff where one has to wonder what happened to peoples common sense. I think that is one of the reaons why people complain about the Mail is because they ponit out some of the ridiculous bullshit that goes on in Britain.
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And there is no way the BNP would turn out to be any better than the current mainstream parties. [/quote]
Why is that? One big difference that I see between the BNP and all the other parties is the BNP is focused on putting the British people first. The BNP’s focus is within the borders of Britain. All the other parties politicians think their first priority is the rest of the world. The mentality is fuck the British, we are going to save the world. ie Gordon Brown boasting in parliament a few months ago that he had “saved the world” from the financial crisis. As the leader of the British nation Gordon should have been focused on getting the British house in order.
Another big difference I see in the BNP is they are not afraid to take political positions that are a liability to their getting elected. Lib/lab/con ukip are full of slimey politicians who will say one thing to get themselves elected then not do what they said they were going to do.
In the US we have a similar situation with Barack Obama and Reverand Wright. I don’t agree with him on some things but I actually like Reverand Wright more than Obama. The reason why I like Reverand Wright more than Obama is because the Reverrand comes right out and tells you what is on his mind instead of bull shitting people so he can be “popular” in order to get one over on them.