[quote]makkun wrote:
It pains me greatly, but I have defend Sifu on this one - well him personally, not the crap he posts. While he supports a radical party of more than questionable credentials and one that contains its share of proven holocaust deniers, I have never in the many clashes I’ve had with him gotten the impression that Sifu is one himself. I don’t think that throwing this at him helps the discussion.
Makkun (now going to wash his mouth out)[/quote]
This is very true. If you are going to accuse him of such a grave charge, then back it up.
I’ll be the first out if the BNP ever got into power. It gives me faith in the intelligence of people in this country to see how little support they get, in that they only target the stupid.
Blaming society’s ills on racial minorities? Sounds familiar…
[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
I’ll be the first out if the BNP ever got into power. It gives me faith in the intelligence of people in this country to see how little support they get, in that they only target the stupid.
Blaming society’s ills on racial minorities? Sounds familiar…[/quote]
Nothing against minorities, just the policy of bringing in minorities to garner votes. The major parties gut their country. They’re the evil guys, not the BNP.
[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
I’ll be the first out if the BNP ever got into power. It gives me faith in the intelligence of people in this country to see how little support they get, in that they only target the stupid.
Blaming society’s ills on racial minorities? Sounds familiar…[/quote]
Nothing against minorities, just the policy of bringing in minorities to garner votes. The major parties gut their country. They’re the evil guys, not the BNP.
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[…] Now you are making up your own bullshit. If you read through my posting history there is plenty of evidence to show that while I support freedom of speech to voice unpopular ides and opinions, I do not support the theories of holocaust deniers. I know people who lost their entire familiy in the holocaust, it’s not a myth. I am not advocating for holocaust denial nor a holocaust denier. Just last year on the BBC Griffin stated that the holocaust did happen.
The reason why you are bringing up irrelevant old bollocks is because you are too intellectually weak to produce a cogent argument based upon the present day facts and issues that are faced by Britains voters today. ie The Lib/Lab/Con will all continue the present day policy of unrestricted mass immigration, that if left unchecked will within this century irrevocably change Britain into an islamist state.
Your arguments about holocaust denial are irrational and ridiculous because of the following fact. The BNP is the only political party that is serious about stopping the islamification of Britain. There is no greater threat to the Jewish community in Britain today than the growing islamification of Britain. The growing islamification of Britain also undermines support for the state of Israel with one of it’s most significant allies. I have no doubt that holocaust denial will be taught in Britain’s madrassa’s when the mullahs take over. Griffin is the man who stands in the way of that happening… [/quote]
It pains me greatly, but I have defend Sifu on this one - well him personally, not the crap he posts. While he supports a radical party of more than questionable credentials and one that contains its share of proven holocaust deniers, I have never in the many clashes I’ve had with him gotten the impression that Sifu is one himself. I don’t think that throwing this at him helps the discussion.
Makkun (now going to wash his mouth out)[/quote]
Thank you Makkun. I have never questioned the holocaust. I have been to Dachau and seen for myself. Considering Dachau was a small camp it is very believable that millions were killed in the big ones.
[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
I’ll be the first out if the BNP ever got into power. It gives me faith in the intelligence of people in this country to see how little support they get, in that they only target the stupid.
Blaming society’s ills on racial minorities? Sounds familiar…[/quote]
Nothing against minorities, just the policy of bringing in minorities to garner votes. The major parties gut their country. They’re the evil guys, not the BNP.
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I’m as opposed to people coming into the country and exploiting our socialist policies as the next person, but when you’ve got valued public servants such as doctors coming in from elsewhere and paying taxes, you don’t say no to it. The BNP top brass are criminals and are often self-proclaimed Nazis. I’d even take some Bullingdon Club toff over them. You’re talking about a party which didn’t even let non-white people in the party until they were forced to a few months ago.
You don’t have to put up with the BNP’s ridiculous and shoddily put together leaflets coming through your door either!
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
I am a Latino for the BNP.
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No one cares, least of all the BNP (who would gladly put you on the next boat out of the country).[/quote]
You are long on hyperbole but short on rational thought. Around the world there are peoples who see nothing wrong with valuing their heritage and identity as a people.
Rohnyn is correct in pointing out that other nationalities would not just stand by and let their rulers bring in mass numbers of foreiners for the purpose of racial gerrymandering in order to secure their hold on political power.
There are minorities in Britain who don’t want to live in an islamist state or work for third world wages who think the British are insane for allowing what is happening to their homeland.
[quote]makkun wrote:
It pains me greatly, but I have defend Sifu on this one - well him personally, not the crap he posts. While he supports a radical party of more than questionable credentials and one that contains its share of proven holocaust deniers, I have never in the many clashes I’ve had with him gotten the impression that Sifu is one himself. I don’t think that throwing this at him helps the discussion.
Makkun (now going to wash his mouth out)[/quote]
This is very true. If you are going to accuse him of such a grave charge, then back it up.[/quote]
As a rhetorical tactic accusing people of horrible theings that they have not blatantly done is a losing proposition.
Accusing someone of something horrible, ie racism is something that should be used sparingly. Otherwise you begin to lessen the term’s meaning and impact. Think of the boy who cried wolf.
For years the British have so flippantly thrown around accusations of racism at each other that people don’t care like they used to.
The Lib/Lab/Con are going to have to start debating the BNP on the issues. But they can’t because they don’t have anything to offer other than more of the same.
[quote]Jab1 wrote:
The BNP are a laughing stock, they will never get in in this country, and if they do, then I am moving.[/quote]
If they are a laughing stock what is Labour? Or the Tories? Or the Lib Dems? Or UKIP?
Labour is going to poll in third place on Thursday, they are done as a party. Conservatives are not going to deliver. Lib dems are a joke. UKIP is going to be exposed. You better start making travel plans…
[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
I’ll be the first out if the BNP ever got into power. It gives me faith in the intelligence of people in this country to see how little support they get, in that they only target the stupid.
Blaming society’s ills on racial minorities? Sounds familiar…[/quote]
But they are not. Go to their website ane read what they are saying. They are blaming society’s ill’s on decades of mismanagement by successive Labour and Tory governments.
[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
I’ll be the first out if the BNP ever got into power. It gives me faith in the intelligence of people in this country to see how little support they get, in that they only target the stupid.
Blaming society’s ills on racial minorities? Sounds familiar…[/quote]
Nothing against minorities, just the policy of bringing in minorities to garner votes. The major parties gut their country. They’re the evil guys, not the BNP.
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Dispossessing a people of their homeland and leaving them at the mercy of people who may not like them is evil.
Living in America and having friends of native American descent we do know where the British people are headed. Yet they stubbornly refuse to let anyone tell them…
[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
I’ll be the first out if the BNP ever got into power. It gives me faith in the intelligence of people in this country to see how little support they get, in that they only target the stupid.
Blaming society’s ills on racial minorities? Sounds familiar…[/quote]
Nothing against minorities, just the policy of bringing in minorities to garner votes. The major parties gut their country. They’re the evil guys, not the BNP.
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Do you have any black children in your classes?[/quote]
I was a little careless sowing my wild oats when I was young. So I might have a few in my family tree…
[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
I’ll be the first out if the BNP ever got into power. It gives me faith in the intelligence of people in this country to see how little support they get, in that they only target the stupid.
Blaming society’s ills on racial minorities? Sounds familiar…[/quote]
Nothing against minorities, just the policy of bringing in minorities to garner votes. The major parties gut their country. They’re the evil guys, not the BNP.
[/quote]
I’m as opposed to people coming into the country and exploiting our socialist policies as the next person, but when you’ve got valued public servants such as doctors coming in from elsewhere and paying taxes, you don’t say no to it. The BNP top brass are criminals and are often self-proclaimed Nazis. I’d even take some Bullingdon Club toff over them. You’re talking about a party which didn’t even let non-white people in the party until they were forced to a few months ago.
You don’t have to put up with the BNP’s ridiculous and shoddily put together leaflets coming through your door either![/quote]
The third world medical staff have reduced the standards of care on NHS hospitals down to third world standards. ie The recent ruling that muslim medical staff are not required to scrub and follow proper sanitary practices because their religion forbids it.
You sound like a typical ignorant British hypocrate. For all your rhetoric about nazis and racism I would be willing to wager that you have no problem with third world medical staff putting people’s lives in danger from infections.
What ever happened to Britain training it’s own doctors or any other number of professions and trades requiring higher education? What is that you say? All the educated Brits are fleeing the sinking ship because they don’t want to be a minority in a low wage, third world country.
[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
I’ll be the first out if the BNP ever got into power. It gives me faith in the intelligence of people in this country to see how little support they get, in that they only target the stupid.
Blaming society’s ills on racial minorities? Sounds familiar…[/quote]
Nothing against minorities, just the policy of bringing in minorities to garner votes. The major parties gut their country. They’re the evil guys, not the BNP.
[/quote]
I’m as opposed to people coming into the country and exploiting our socialist policies as the next person, but when you’ve got valued public servants such as doctors coming in from elsewhere and paying taxes, you don’t say no to it. The BNP top brass are criminals and are often self-proclaimed Nazis. I’d even take some Bullingdon Club toff over them. You’re talking about a party which didn’t even let non-white people in the party until they were forced to a few months ago.
You don’t have to put up with the BNP’s ridiculous and shoddily put together leaflets coming through your door either![/quote]
The third world medical staff have reduced the standards of care on NHS hospitals down to third world standards. ie The recent ruling that muslim medical staff are not required to scrub and follow proper sanitary practices because their religion forbids it.
You sound like a typical ignorant British hypocrate. For all your rhetoric about nazis and racism I would be willing to wager that you have no problem with third world medical staff putting people’s lives in danger from infections.
What ever happened to Britain training it’s own doctors or any other number of professions and trades requiring higher education? What is that you say? All the educated Brits are fleeing the sinking ship because they don’t want to be a minority in a low wage, third world country.[/quote]
Please cite your source re: the NHS. The NHS’ standards have slipped because they are hiring more managers and fewer doctors and nurses.
Britain doesn’t train enough of its own doctors because people are being priced out of higher education.
[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
I’ll be the first out if the BNP ever got into power. It gives me faith in the intelligence of people in this country to see how little support they get, in that they only target the stupid.
Blaming society’s ills on racial minorities? Sounds familiar…[/quote]
Nothing against minorities, just the policy of bringing in minorities to garner votes. The major parties gut their country. They’re the evil guys, not the BNP.
[/quote]
Do you have any black children in your classes?[/quote]
It pains me greatly, but I have defend Sifu on this one - well him personally, not the crap he posts. While he supports a radical party of more than questionable credentials and one that contains its share of proven holocaust deniers, I have never in the many clashes I’ve had with him gotten the impression that Sifu is one himself. I don’t think that throwing this at him helps the discussion.
Makkun (now going to wash his mouth out)[/quote]
What did I write again? …
[quote]Makavali wrote:
This is very true. If you are going to accuse him of such a grave charge, then back it up.[/quote]
I assume you two are typing to me? Let’s read again what “grave charge” I’ve accused him of…
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Earlier I wrote:
I have to disagree. The beauty of HH’s troll threads is the folks who come out to support those who he is promoting. In this case, Sifu (again I believe) has stood strong [u]as an advocate for a holocaust denier. [/u][/quote]
He clearly is supporting (advocating for) a holocaust denier.
[quote]GreenMountains wrote:
UK Independence Party[/quote]
Yes, they’re another joke party. What about them?
I have to say this has been a pretty poor troll thread so far.[/quote]
I have to disagree. The beauty of HH’s troll threads is the folks who come out to support those who he is promoting. In this case, Sifu (again I believe) has stood strong as an advocate for a holocaust denier. Another poster (probably a joke) is a “Latino for the BNP.” This stuff is great.
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Now you are making up your own bullshit. If you read through my posting history there is plenty of evidence to show that while I support freedom of speech to voice unpopular ides and opinions, I do not support the theories of holocaust deniers. I know people who lost their entire familiy in the holocaust, it’s not a myth. I am not advocating for holocaust denial nor a holocaust denier. Just last year on the BBC Griffin stated that the holocaust did happen.[/quote]
And yet he stated several times that he didn’t… funny how one changes their tune when the spotlight comes on, isn’t it?
My “arguments” about holocaust denial? There is no argument. He denied it. Full stop.
That you can support him after this puts you, in my eyes, in the same camp as those who support Ahmadinejad. You’re as bad as those in the states who support Byrd.
And yeah, I think HH’s troll threads are funny because of folks like you.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
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He clearly is supporting (advocating for) a holocaust denier. [/quote]
And if you read his posts, you’ll see he’s not one himself. The right end of the spectrum is just as complex as the left wing. He might be a rightwing crazy with some crude racial theories who sympathises with known holocaust deniers, but he has not denied the holocaust on these forums, unlike some other posters - who got banned from the site btw. It may make him a gullible rightwinger who swallows the propaganda from some real radicals (aided by the Daily Mail). But labeling him as a something that can’t be evidenced from his posts will only strengthen his, and others’ view that he is part of a minority falsly accused and thus furthering the myth of persecution. That doesn’t move the discussion forward. Make sense?
Upon re-reading your posts, I indeed can’t find evidence that you called Sifu directly a holocaust denier, but criticise him for supporting one. I stand by my view that it’s a problematic claim, but I can’t see you making it.
While he supports a radical party of more than questionable credentials and one that contains its share of proven holocaust deniers, I have never in the many clashes I’ve had with him gotten the impression that Sifu is one himself. I don’t think that throwing this at him helps the discussion.