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Breakfast Article on T-Nation Confirms I Was Raised Right

You also have the right to criticize whomever you like. I don’t think most RDs really understand dramatic body composition change and fitness. But then again, most don’t work in dealing with that anyway. Fortunately my teachers did not believe or teach outdated stuff.

Maybe a “fitness training” RD niche needs filled, maybe? I’d try one if they were “up” on nutrition for body comp work…as long as I didn’t hear any silly “don’t eat red meat, ever” crap ya know?

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I saw a “sports” nutritionist once who told not to touch whey because it wasn’t “whole food”. She also gave one of those government-mandated eating guidelines sheets. It was about 1800kCals when I was eating 3000kCals normally, with about 80g total protein.

Brilliant

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Brilliant indeed haha!

But again, it appears that there’s a niche that RD’s who know about lifting and body composition could fill. I mean if we pay for all the things we do to be fit, there has to be a business opportunity for a dietician that serves our purposes.
Sure, they’d not be “mainstream,” but they’d have huge and huge numbers of clients.

I know most of us probably get our nutritional structures from places like t-nation, but a face to face with a qualified person can’t be replaced in digital form. Maybe with videoconferencing to an extent, but I still think there’s money to be made by RD’s in a specialization for lifters.

Don’t mean to overly persist but damnit it’s a gold mine waiting to be uncovered.

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This comes from a well-intentioned place, but I think you are badly overestimating that percentage of the population that cares about lifting weights. Powerlifters always seem to overestimate the popularity of powerlifting (which is as niche-y as a niche sport can get). Brick can speak to the specifics of working as an RD, but in general businesses won’t do very well specializing in less than 1 percent of the population of available clients.

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Ohhh.

May explain y I’m not a business type :confused:

Guess I’ll just hafta keep doing it myself eh?!

I wonder about PL meets in Ohio. I’d like to check one out, just to see and to determine if it’d be something I’d ever want to do. Doubt it but you never know. It’d totally change my training obviously.

Anyway, you clarified that for me - Thanks!

Ya all take care :slight_smile:

You are a very knowledgeable and interesting man

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Was that compliment (accusation lol) directed at me? I’m rarely accused of such so that’s y I ask :slight_smile:

I don’t know about that, but I get paid big bucks (well, a few bucks, anyway) to design, conduct, analyze, and interpret research studies. It’s literally my job; I’ve picked up a few things over the years. This little background means that I’m inherently skeptical of almost any news reporting of research findings unless I’ve actually seen the primary reference, even better if I can review the analysis approach in some detail.

It’s also enough to make me quite jaded and depressed, because while I see lots of miraculous stuff that happens in research, I also see lots of very stupid stuff. What I wrote above isn’t any exaggeration - a disappointingly large percentage of “conventional wisdom” in science and medicine is based on flimsy or misinterpreted research. I’m most familiar with this specific niche of the research world, but it could be just as bad elsewhere, as well.

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Oh I bet it does jade you!

Just keep us posted on the stuff that’s BS pleeeease !

ehhh, no. Sorry. No offence or anything, I just haven’t really gotten to know you yet.

I’m sure you’re cool…

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I was mostly speaking in general terms, but your job is really cool.

These posts of yours resonate with me because my mum is a doctor and is absolutely convinced I live the unhealthiest lifestyle imaginable.

It’s not her fault; she spent years of her life being taught a certain way and it’s too deeply ingrained for her to ever see the other side of it.

I agree with all of that. It seems so simple at first glance, but as soon someone like you with real knowledge starts to dissect it all, it becomes so complicated haha!

I don’t believe that people are necessarily stupid for believing that low-fat diets are healthy. On the surface, it makes total sense that a high-fat diet would lead to a high-fat body composition. The thing that always makes me roll my eyes is that I have a feeling that there’s a good number of people who advocate for one diet or another (low-fat, keto, etc) who haven’t ever tried anything for themselves. I’m not saying everyone, or all skinny female RDs, or anything; just people in the general population.

I don’t care what other people eat, honestly. I wouldn’t care if everyone in the world ate the same thing every day for their whole lives. But kind of getting back to your point about people repeating what the research has shown, and you stating that in many cases the research is flawed (I agree 100% btw), I wish people would do their own research. That doesn’t mean capturing 12 mice and making a control & high vs low fat groups. Just testing out what foods work for them and what foods don’t. It seems like a pretty common sense solution, and I’m thinking that most people involved with fitness have tried it. I know I have. I benefit more from high carb diets more than I benefit from high fat diets.

So I guess my point is that I wish people would examine research with a critical eye before regurgitating whatever it is that they read in “The American blank and blank Association’s” latest article. I’m guilty of mindlessly repeating research that I’ve read, but within the last year or so, I’ve begun to figure things out for myself instead of trusting everything I read. (Side note on that: Whatever you read will reinforce your beliefs. Example: If you want to try a ketogenic diet for fat loss, and you look up “effects of ketogenic diets” and read a scholarly journal on it, you’ll find that keto is the absolute BEST. If you search “effects of a low-fat diet” and read a scholarly journal on it, you’ll find that low-fat is aboslutely the best.)

Everyone is different and different things can work for different people. I know I’m preaching to the choir here, because you’re a smart dude and you know this stuff. It just feels good to actually say it

@lava2007
Are you saying the fad people might be lacking in common sense approaches to actually determining what works for themselves? I certainly see it that way!

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I read various articles by a coach in the UK called Nick Mitchell, who runs upmarket gyms and specialises in 12 week body transformation coaching for wealthy folks! He appears to suggest many of the successful clients just blindly follow the diet plans, which are largely low carb based. Of course, long term success is knowledge-based but some folks just need to rely on so-called experts to tell them what to do.

Yup looks that way.

If I were going to take a trainers advice though, I’d be wanting to know upon what his suggestions were based, and why. Especially if he didn’t look like he followed his own advice.

For some folks, that is all they want. My brother in law was starting to notice the effects of being somewhat sedentary, getting older, and just generally “enjoying food too much”. He went to a name brand guy that gave him a selection plan for each meal like

Breakfast:

Choose 2

eggs, steak, etc.

fresh fruit, bread, etc.

and on through the day like that.

It worked. He didn’t have to think a whole lot about diet, lost weight, and felt much better.

Then, to continue beyond the time frame it was designed for, he just kept doing it. Granted, he wasn’t trying to achieve “great” results, but it worked to his end and within his means.

Here’s part of the issue. I’m currently halfway through getting my certification in Fitness Nutrition. We are not allowed to give dietary recommendations for a medical condition. Since obesity is a medical condition, if my client’s MD has given dietary instructions, I COULD get in deep kimchi by recommending against the MD. If I were an RD, on the other hand, I could legally give that advice.
Big pharma and big grocery is also partially to blame, with their lobbying. If the ingredients in most of the “food” in the grocery store shelves were really known, people would be pretty pissed off.
All that said, it seems RD classes don’t have a good portion of instruction on diets for athletic fitness.

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There aren’t many. In my undergraduate classes there was one, Nutrition and Exercise. However, any RD with any ingenuity or with half a brain can take what they learned in their undergraduate education and put it to use for performance, making weight, bodybuilding, body composition, or whatever. It actually takes the most basic understanding of nutrition and the ability to assign macros and calories for a desired goal. That’s actually why most of the best bodybuilding nutritionists are NOT RD’s. So even though I am an RD and respect educating oneself on nutrition, I don’t genuflect to the current crop of gurus that promote themselves as, or are treated or of which are spoken as if they are priests with secret and special information, most of whom appear as DYEL’s or nothing special or haven’t gotten shredded for a show.

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There are actually quite a few RD’s who are bodybuilders, runners, Crossfitters, and the like who are doing this. IFBB pros Colette Nelson (Olympia competition), Chris Tuttle, John Jewett and some others are RD’s. So are some old writers from this site: Lonnie Lowery, Doug Kalman, Tom Incledon, Ryan Andrews, Marie Spano, Cassandra Forsythe, and a few others I can’t recall.

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