Hey guys I probably could of put this in the bb or pl thread but i chose this one.Im curious for the bodybuilders who are both that and powerlifters do they train any specific way. I was thinking about it and I was curious some one like jonnie jackson who does both.
How do most of them do it, do they train for one for a couple months and switch or do they mesh them together?
Justin Harris trains both DC and powerlifting... He was a bodybuilder, Dante Trudel helped him to the superheavies and he then did his first PL meet and totaled elite. Works as a nutritionist or contest prep guy (not certain which or if it's both or whatever), nickname is Troponin.
Try to find out some more about him... Over at IM and other forums. Maybe he trains for bbing the first half of the year and PLing the second? I have no clue. He also has a log at elitefts. I think he's been training with Dante again lately, they made some funny vids and all that...
Some of the largest and strongest people I know train both movement patterns and bodyparts, and not necessarily exclusively.
Jamie Reeves, ex worlds strongest man and powerlifter, and Gary Taylor too (another ex worlds strongest man) typically trained big lifts but also spent considerable training time to the 'accessory' muscles too.
To optimise absolute strength a significant amount of muscle hypertrophy is essential.
Sometimes when we look for differences, we may miss the similarities!
Well, you also focused on getting stronger on the non-competition lifts.. Just that you work up to triples, doubles or singles on the competition lifts and stay with higher reps on the other stuff... That is for powerlifter/bb combos, no clue about oly/bb guys. Just saying because "focus on getting stronger on the comp lifts and work the rest as accessories" sounds like the other lifts weren't really increased much/not taken seriously.
Wonder how Ronnie would do if he were to readjust to PL training for a few months and then do a meet
Most will. It's very common to see upper/lower splits Pull/push/legs is basically back thick and width and bis, chest shoulders tris, legs. I wouldn't be able to name a even close to "strong guy" I know of in powerlifting who trains total body.
You'll likely be doing boxsquats and squats, dead variations, good mornings, board and floor pressing, will have to adjust your workload if you train in gear (much more taxing). It is actually not to difficult to train for pling and bbing at the same time, as long as you're trying to build mass, not diet that is.
I don't know really anything about the history of bodybuilding, but I remember reading somewhere that bodybuilders got athletic points in bodybuilding competitions for competing in olympic lifting, then when the Weider's took over, they eliminated the athletic points. I thought it was interesting.
"Heavy lifting can stimulate muscle growth even though you're "technically" outside of the proper hypertrophy rep ranges."
Obviously this is caused by a number of mechanisms. Most of the serious "competitive" bodybuilders ive met arnt slouches in bench press or squat.
One of my training partners would diet for PLing contest and then carrying on dieting for BBing contest then try compete in PLing again on the upswing, trying to find contests that fitted that set up proved awkward but was doable.
Honestly I imagine the differences don't need to be very large at all. Most bp splits tweaked slightly are pretty much very classic pling splits. Bench press variant done very heavy, then another variant done slightly lighter, and then two tricep movements essentially turns into "chest and tricep day" from "heavy bench day".