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Bodyweight and Deadlift

[quote]DaneMuscle wrote:
Even if someone weighed 50 lbs, no one should care about a 340x5 deadlift. People need to stop using bodyweight as an excuse for being weak.[/quote]

A person weighing 50 lbs and pulling 340x5 would be an impressive feat of strength. That’s a 6.8xBW pull for 5 reps. Lamar Gant pulled 5.2xBW for a single. Anyways the deadlift/BW ratio varies across weight classes so you should instead make a comparison to people in the same weight class.

The Elite Classification Standard can give you a feel for numbers across the powerlifting population. Using that, I would consider a 527@148 (3.6xBW) pull equally as impressive as a 697@275 (2.5xBW) pull, both international elite class. The main point is to compare yourself to others around your weight if you want to know how strong your are.

OP, your DL is probably at a class II for the 148 weight class. I’m guessing that’s around 100 lbs from an average state record.

[quote]kpsnap wrote:

[quote]DaneMuscle wrote:

People need to stop using bodyweight as an excuse for being weak.[/quote]
Yeah. Ditch the weight classes in all sports. The scale is just an excuse for the weak. [/quote]

LOL

For reference; on powerliftingwatch all of the top 50 148’s pull at least 500. 4 pull 600 or more. Majority of the list is between 507-530.

Anyway, your deadlift is strong, just not record breaking strong…yet! You can get there someday! I’m in the 450 neighborhood these days and its been a pain in the ass to try to find something that’ll get it going again!

[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
340x5 is pitiful. [/quote]

340x5 for a dude who’s 150lb is not pitiful. That’s ridiculous hyperbole.

I agree that bull_scientist basically just posts troll-worthy nonsense, but c’mon dude. Get real.

In fact what is your role on this site, anyway? Chief shit-starter? Half of your posts are made just to put other people down. No wonder you were an ardent defender of PX. [/quote]

You make me sound like infinite_shore, lol.

You know what? I probably wouldn’t have made the comment if it had been someone other than bull_scientist starting the thread. Like if a new guy had posted the same numbers in the beginner section, I would have said something like good job, keep working.

Fair enough.

Also, if there is a 50lb person out there deadlifting 340x5, I, for one, welcome our new deadlift overlord.

I remember reading this http://www.T-Nation.com/training/4-genetic-factors-that-determine-your-success

and it mentioned Andrzej Stanaszek.

At a bodyweight of 115, he squats 662 and benches 402.

Albeit his pull is only 305, but fuck.

Also Lamar Gant who pulled 683 at 132.

If there IS a powerlifting overlord out there it’s not an Icelandic giant its a long armed dwarf.

Anyway, the heavier guy is always going to be more impressive in terms of times bodyweight because his bodyweight is heavier and mass is mass.

ok, lets all just fucking relax for a moment please.

Remember that there IS a difference between Relative Strength and Absolute Strength.
I believe both to have valid arguments as to which is more important.

As a cyclist, you can look at Fabian (Spartacus) Cancellara (180#) and go Damn 1000 watts of power and
the probable owner of the next World Hour Record.

You can then look at Alberto Cantador as say Wow, he can maintain 400 watts indefinately at a weight of 150#.
and fly up the Dolomites , Alps and Peyrenies.

Who is a better Deadlifter ? Benni or Ed ?? Which is more important in YOUR mind, the Absolute or the Relative?

Thanks for your listening…killerDIRK

Anything under 500 lbs. or ~220 kg for reps is not strong, no matter what. Sure, a 300 lbs. pull at 50 lbs. bodyweight would be impressive, it’s just that no one should, in my opinion at least care to watch a little guy pull something that teenagers can reach within a year or two of training and be amazed just because he’s tiny.

This sport is about moving heavy weight, not about compromising your strength just because you want to be in a light weight class and be able to follow up your puny lifts with “but it’s 2.3475xBW guiz”. I wouldn’t excuse my decent 565 deadlift with the fact that I’m 18 years old, so tiny guys shouldn’t be excusing crappy lifts with their low bodyweights.

[quote]DaneMuscle wrote:
Anything under 500 lbs. or ~220 kg for reps is not strong, no matter what. Sure, a 300 lbs. pull at 50 lbs. bodyweight would be impressive, it’s just that no one should, in my opinion at least care to watch a little guy pull something that teenagers can reach within a year or two of training and be amazed just because he’s tiny.

This sport is about moving heavy weight, not about compromising your strength just because you want to be in a light weight class and be able to follow up your puny lifts with “but it’s 2.3475xBW guiz”. I wouldn’t excuse my decent 565 deadlift with the fact that I’m 18 years old, so tiny guys shouldn’t be excusing crappy lifts with their low bodyweights.[/quote]
Wow. Never knew you were so much of a douche, kinda strange since your lifts would be more impressive if you were in a lighter weight class. If that’s what you think then fine but don’t dismiss others accomplishments because they don’t fit your definition of what powerlifting should be about.

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Why has no one pointed out the fact that the initial observation is false?

The only great deadlifters who are very much overweight at all are the ones who have no need to make a weight class. Every single other weight class is dominated by lean guys, when it comes to the deadlift. The best pound for pound deadlifter in the world weighs less than you do (Richard Hawthorne). Dan Green is lean. Rich Sadiv is lean. KK is lean. Jesse Norris is lean. I could go on, but I see no reason to. Yes, the absolute world records in deadlift are held by lifters who are overweight. That doesn’t mean that their fat mass is actually helping them deadlift.
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But pretty much every weight class (at least 242 and below) is dominated by lean guys in every lift. Bodyweight helps squat and bench, but that doesn’t mean that top guys are fat. 242 and lean beats 242 and fat.

Deadlift standards don’t increase with weightclass as fast as the bench and squat standards, but they still increase.

[quote]DaneMuscle wrote:

This sport is about moving heavy weight, not about compromising your strength just because you want to be in a light weight class and be able to follow up your puny lifts with “but it’s 2.3475xBW guiz”. I wouldn’t excuse my decent 565 deadlift with the fact that I’m 18 years old, so tiny guys shouldn’t be excusing crappy lifts with their low bodyweights.[/quote]

Or it could be that you’re more competitive in the lighter weight class, not necessarily that you want to be able to say you can deadlift nearly quadruple your own body weight, although that’s a plus.

[quote]DaneMuscle wrote:
Anything under 500 lbs. or ~220 kg for reps is not strong, no matter what. Sure, a 300 lbs. pull at 50 lbs. bodyweight would be impressive, it’s just that no one should, in my opinion at least care to watch a little guy pull something that teenagers can reach within a year or two of training and be amazed just because he’s tiny.

This sport is about moving heavy weight, not about compromising your strength just because you want to be in a light weight class and be able to follow up your puny lifts with “but it’s 2.3475xBW guiz”. I wouldn’t excuse my decent 565 deadlift with the fact that I’m 18 years old, so tiny guys shouldn’t be excusing crappy lifts with their low bodyweights.[/quote]

Classic case of low self esteem.