That is why I am a little skeptical whenever I hear the words blessed genetics; I think that 99.99% of the time it’s more like a blessed monster drug stack. [/quote]
Yes, we get it. And it kinda seems like you started this thread simply to make this point.
I started this thread and mentioned point because after over a decade of personal exposure that’s very close to home, seeing is believing, and it needed to be said (hey, I have first hand experience with this mentality).
And it’s annoying and quite frankly when I hear enhanced physique developers (pro or not) talk about training and diet and not mention drugs as part of the equation, especially to uniformed and highly impressionable young people. And I’m not just playing the ‘what message are we sending the kids?’ card here, that’s just how it goes, and far too many shady people have taken advantage of such newbies, of varying age groups, since day one. If that makes me sound self-righteous, then so be it.
That’s why I respect men like Rich Piana, I could care less what he uses. He paints it for what it is.
I know ShadowPro is very informed, experienced and strongly opinionated on what real bb’s do by following a sound diet, taking the right beneficial supplements, monitoring their macros, etc., but in all due respect I have never seen this among the male bb folks that I’ve come across.
Well, he is talking about guys who do this for a living and have pro cards, not your average 24 Hour Fitness “bodybuilder”. Not to mention, he actually is a pro.
And honestly, who even really cares what the majority of dirty-bulking, self-labeled BBs are doing? It’s just one particular route to take, and just like every other one, it comes with consequences.
Truthfully I don’t, because we are talking about responsible (or what should be responsible) adults here, but let’s not forget that many got that way initially taking the bait from questionable sources.
FYI: Just this weekend, I flipped through a bb magazine from 2005 (from the boyfriend’s old stash because I felt nostalgic) and inside was King Kamali’s bulking diet, and what he says he ate to get the way it does, and there is no doubt why it was written that way and to whom it was presented for (young teenagers who don’t know any better and are starting bb themselves). Just a few issues late, in MD magazine from a couple years prior, it outlined an even more gluttonous dietary strategy. Sound seedy to you?
And while I’m on the subject, what about what guys like CT Fletcher and Kali Muscle are posting on their social media. Shouldn’t they be called out and shouldn’t people who don’t know any better be warned otherwise?
Let’s not forget, many new young people, that are introduce to bodybuilding for the first time, get their initial source of information nowadays from YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, and other forms of social media. That’s kind of scary when you think about it isn’t it?
Not everyone finds T-Nation first.
What is the point of this thread? It just seems like a rant against anything other than recommending clean eating and railing against those with good genetics and labeling their success only because of drugs.
Oh, and I have nothing for or against CT Fletcher, but wasn’t he the one that said he learned his “diet” from bro science and after his health problems realized that wasn’t the way to go and now his diet consists mainly of spinach, fish, and sweet potatoes?
For kicks I looked up CT’s recent nutritional recommendations and he advocates egg whites, veggies, turkey, chicken breasts, salad, tuna, white rice, etc.
Regardless, I can’t see how these guys are responsible for anything anyone does. No one is forced to do what they say. Part of being educated in the realm of fitness/lifting/powerlifting/BB/whatever is doing stupid shit and learning from it. I’m willing to bet almost every single successful lifter on this forum at one point did something they regret.