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Bodybuilders Don't Believe Strength is Necessary?

[quote]scottkoscielniak wrote:
science does not agree with your philosophy [/quote]
Iif you do not agree with my.programming recommendations then do not follow. This is by far the most fun I have had in a forum. Thanks for the entertainment guys.

[quote]casperthegst wrote:
The statement that “no one cares what you think” is indeed a blanket statement.

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No it’s not. You have used the word ‘blanket statement’ incorrectly three times in this thread now.

Please find the actual definition and find a word that actually describes your feelings, cause ‘blanket statement’ ain’t it.

[quote]browndisaster wrote:

[quote]Brian14 wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
5x10 squats, bench, and military will not make you look like a bodybuilder ever[/quote]

Those are the only exercises I do (along with deads,pull ups, and rows) and I look like how I do in my avatar.

I don’t think we should ever bash bodybuilders, they have different goals than we do and they still manage to be pretty damn strong most of the time. Also, I think everyone that commented in that thread agreed that he needed to get stronger.[/quote]
damn, you look great dude

and I agree, I see bodybuilders doing a lot of heavy lifting and powerlifters doing a lot of hypertrophy work, the two are only mutually exclusive online[/quote]

Your avatar is hilarious man. I remember I saw a video of that and laughed my ass off.

[quote]casperthegst wrote:

[quote]scottkoscielniak wrote:
science does not agree with your philosophy [/quote]
Iif you do not agree with my.programming recommendations then do not follow. This is by far the most fun I have had in a forum. Thanks for the entertainment guys.[/quote]

No one agrees with your programming reccomendation because they are shit. Anyone who does is undertrained and uneducated and your basically leading them to mediocrity at best and injury at worse.

Different strokes for different folks… Seriously the whole bodybuilder versus power lifter thing is played out. There are power lifters who work in bb ranges and there are bodybuilders who will work in power lifting range. Different training works different for different people.

[quote]scottkoscielniak wrote:
Or this gem you told someone to do

65% x 5
75% x 5
85% x 5 +
90% x 1

So you are supposed to do as many reps as possible at 85% and then do 3 singles at 90%

how the hell is that possible.
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65% x 5
75% x 5
85% x 5 +
Spotters take the barbell away when you start looking tired.
Argue with spotters, which gives time for recovery before the 90% sets.
90% x 1

[quote]Brian14 wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:

[quote]Brian14 wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
5x10 squats, bench, and military will not make you look like a bodybuilder ever[/quote]

Those are the only exercises I do (along with deads,pull ups, and rows) and I look like how I do in my avatar.

I don’t think we should ever bash bodybuilders, they have different goals than we do and they still manage to be pretty damn strong most of the time. Also, I think everyone that commented in that thread agreed that he needed to get stronger.[/quote]
damn, you look great dude

and I agree, I see bodybuilders doing a lot of heavy lifting and powerlifters doing a lot of hypertrophy work, the two are only mutually exclusive online[/quote]

Your avatar is hilarious man. I remember I saw a video of that and laughed my ass off.[/quote]
hahah thanks, irondwarf made it
I haven’t seen the videos before so I looked them up now lol, dude’s expressions are priceless. Apparently he won the race? maybe everyone behind him quit

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:
Bodybuilders should be bashed. They train to appear to look better than other men by being judged by other men. The style and rep ranges they train in can be beneficial to someone who trains for strength however.[/quote]

You have accomplished nothing in terms either strength or physique. You are in no position to judge anyone.[/quote]

I’m in a position to judge whoever or whatever I want and voice my opinion about on this forum…you should try thinking before you pop off…I don’t fully blame you I understand it is a cultural thing [/quote]

You seem dumb so I will type this slowly for you.

No one cares about your opinion on matters of strength or size because you are weak and small.
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You must care since you took the time to respond to him. Irony at it’s best. :slight_smile:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:
Bodybuilders should be bashed. They train to appear to look better than other men by being judged by other men. The style and rep ranges they train in can be beneficial to someone who trains for strength however.[/quote]

You have accomplished nothing in terms either strength or physique. You are in no position to judge anyone.[/quote]

I’m in a position to judge whoever or whatever I want and voice my opinion about on this forum…you should try thinking before you pop off…I don’t fully blame you I understand it is a cultural thing [/quote]

You seem dumb so I will type this slowly for you.

No one cares about your opinion on matters of strength or size because you are weak and small.
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A blanket statement. You do not know me from Adam.[/quote]

I have seen the numbers you have posted to know that you are not strong, and I know you are also small.

Your opinion is not relevant, nor is it warranted. Spend more time training and less time posting, and one day someone might care about your thoughts on bodybuilders. [/quote]

I will do whatever the fck I want to do with my time. You do not necessarily have to agree but that is my opinion on the matter. [/quote]

Once again, I will try to use small words.

No one cares what you think.
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Once again, you responded to what he said…so you do care…LOL!

[quote]Reed wrote:
Lol seriously… no…one…cares… your opinion espeacially in this thread has lost all chance of being taken even half seriously and now 99% of all your future posts as well will be ignored and over looked because you now appear as a ignorant, immature, and under experienced ass hole…

Before you even waste time trying to hurt my feelings with your big Guy internet talk I will save you time and just go fuck my self now:-)[/quote]

You responded. You care.

[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:

[quote]scottkoscielniak wrote:
science does not agree with your philosophy [/quote]
Iif you do not agree with my.programming recommendations then do not follow. This is by far the most fun I have had in a forum. Thanks for the entertainment guys.[/quote]

No one agrees with your programming reccomendation because they are shit. Anyone who does is undertrained and uneducated and your basically leading them to mediocrity at best and injury at worse.[/quote]

You call him uneducated, yet you can’t tell the difference between “your” and “you’re”.

Im seriously in wow mode here, this is like being in a room full of my ex girlfriends struggling to b right against me and eachother… and were supposed to b training focused?

O ya, speed day will get u brutally strong(according to Louie Simmons anyway)and last time I checked I gained size from adding weight to all my exercises, main big lifts and the cute lil isolation ones done for reps too…So ya I stick by my(Dave Tates originally) speed day reccomendation for bodybuilders as most have never done anything like it and will be a tremendous shock and improvement for them.

There I go listening to the most qualified writers on T-Nation again and spouting the BS they reccomend right

[quote]IFlashBack wrote:
Yeah fuck bodybuilders

And power lifters, cross fitters, cardio bunnies, strongmen, people who don’t lift, fitness models, olympic lifters, and people who lift for sports.[/quote]

Yeah… Casper can fuck the bodybuilders, he seemed pretty intent on it not long ago.

I’ll fuck the cardio bunnies :slight_smile:

[quote]Caltene wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:
Bodybuilders should be bashed. They train to appear to look better than other men by being judged by other men. The style and rep ranges they train in can be beneficial to someone who trains for strength however.[/quote]

You have accomplished nothing in terms either strength or physique. You are in no position to judge anyone.[/quote]

I’m in a position to judge whoever or whatever I want and voice my opinion about on this forum…you should try thinking before you pop off…I don’t fully blame you I understand it is a cultural thing [/quote]

You seem dumb so I will type this slowly for you.

No one cares about your opinion on matters of strength or size because you are weak and small.
[/quote]

A blanket statement. You do not know me from Adam.[/quote]

I have seen the numbers you have posted to know that you are not strong, and I know you are also small.

Your opinion is not relevant, nor is it warranted. Spend more time training and less time posting, and one day someone might care about your thoughts on bodybuilders. [/quote]

I will do whatever the fck I want to do with my time. You do not necessarily have to agree but that is my opinion on the matter. [/quote]

Once again, I will try to use small words.

No one cares what you think.
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Once again, you responded to what he said…so you do care…LOL![/quote]

Ok.

For me the Weider principles seem based, and quite effective, for those using drugs to exceed plateaus.
I used DC for a couple of years with great success, probably the best I’ve ever looked.
I did not enjoy the lack of volume, I would hit previously Weider-ishly attained plateaus, I would de-load and change exercises and exceed those plateaus.
To quote Wendler 3 steps forward one step back.
Lifting is something I do for fun, DC was structured so you can have a full tank a couple days later, I enjoy beating myself harder than that, at least sometimes.
I bring up DC because plateaus are planned for and PROGRAMMED to exceed.
Most non-bicycle riders that I’ve spoken to, have similar experiences, plateauing with Weider principles very early in there lifting life and then they are a. stuck at that plateau, b. quit lifting, c. take drugs., none of which I have any problem with.

I changed to raw power lifting training from DC, because a. it still maintains techniques to exceed strength and size plateaus with out an inherent need for drugs, b. more volume than DC which I enjoy.
And many people feel similarly, in the immortal words of Shock-G Doowutchyalike.
I guess I’m internet naive in that I don’t understand why any of this is worth caring.
Things are so much better now than when I started lifting.

In the 90’s it was nearly impossible to find anything but the Weider principles, especially if you weren’t part of an athletic team and lived in rural areas, many men, like many on this powerlifting forum, always knew they had no interest in lifting to get all oiled up in a banana hammock and get judged by men, but things have greatly progressed, all the information is now at everyone’s fingertips, which is nice.

Is the argument just for fun?
For the LOLZ?

[quote]Caltene wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:

[quote]scottkoscielniak wrote:
science does not agree with your philosophy [/quote]
Iif you do not agree with my.programming recommendations then do not follow. This is by far the most fun I have had in a forum. Thanks for the entertainment guys.[/quote]

No one agrees with your programming reccomendation because they are shit. Anyone who does is undertrained and uneducated and your basically leading them to mediocrity at best and injury at worse.[/quote]

You call him uneducated, yet you can’t tell the difference between “your” and “you’re”.[/quote]

Lol really. Ok I apologize for not wanting to take the time to spell it out perfectly even though everyone could tell exactly what was being said. Also he was never being bashed on his grammer.

Knot is dead on about the 90s and the weider principles being shoved to the forefront. For a while before I did my research I bought into the principles and of course got stuck in plateaus because of it.

Volume increases while keeping the workout the same time length is a sure fire way to improve. The weider deal was omg do even slightly more volume and ul wreck your body, be very aftraid of overtraining and volume, worst advice ever.

Did more research and started my first 12 week cycle of German Volume training(the advanced 10x5,10x4,10x3) and gained like nutz and was hooked on real lifting.

I believe that after one has lifted for long enough, they enjoy the progress they make in strength gains even if they are just recreational bodybuilders.

Charles Poliquin is right in saying that the language bodybuilders use in regards to strength training can be translated easily into" I dont want to do those squats and heavy deadlifts because im too lazy and they are uncomfy for me", so go on lose out on those huge gains the big movements give u…

What the fuck is this thread even about?

It’s about bacon now.

[quote]BombDonald wrote:
What the fuck is this thread even about?[/quote]

I don’t even know man, although the first page was pretty entertaining.