Bodybuilders Are All Weak!

Bigger Stronger Leaner Powerlifting & Strength Sports
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[quote]superscience wrote:
Deathroe wrote:
ok, before this gets all crazy, lets look at a few things. first some simple stats. Marius is 6’1" and 290 lbs. Ronnie is about 5’10" - 5’11" (although thats not what they tell you) and 320lbs or so in the off season.

thats a huge difference in height vs. weight. second, marius doesnt perform squats “only” to parallel, he performs them in a much more olympic style fashion than does ronnie, straighter back, more sitting down than back, etc. (he also goes below parallel where as from what ive seen of ronnie he barely hits parallel if at all).

and finally, this argument is redundent, they perform in different sports and shouldnt be compared as such. also if you really want to get into it, ronnie has rediculous amounts of drugs in his body, whereas marius’ has limited amounts. and by the way, the strongest man in the world is Hossein Rezazedah ;).

marius is 6ft ronnie is 5ft11
and rezaza cud front squat 310 atg lol[/quote]

Okay, for the record (and I’m a big fan of Ronnie Coleman), he is 5’8" at most.

In one of the lastest muscle mags, there is a picture of him next to Lee Haney. The caption is about how similar they are in that they’re both black, religious, 8-time Olympia winners who stand 5"10".

However, Lee towered over Ronnie. Even given the fact that Coleman was barefoot, it was a good three or four inches.

To sum up: Ronnie Coleman is shorter than he says. He is, however, exactly as strong as he says. Which is immensely.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
superscience wrote:
Deathroe wrote:
ok, before this gets all crazy, lets look at a few things. first some simple stats. Marius is 6’1" and 290 lbs. Ronnie is about 5’10" - 5’11" (although thats not what they tell you) and 320lbs or so in the off season.

thats a huge difference in height vs. weight. second, marius doesnt perform squats “only” to parallel, he performs them in a much more olympic style fashion than does ronnie, straighter back, more sitting down than back, etc. (he also goes below parallel where as from what ive seen of ronnie he barely hits parallel if at all).

and finally, this argument is redundent, they perform in different sports and shouldnt be compared as such. also if you really want to get into it, ronnie has rediculous amounts of drugs in his body, whereas marius’ has limited amounts. and by the way, the strongest man in the world is Hossein Rezazedah ;).

marius is 6ft ronnie is 5ft11
and rezaza cud front squat 310 atg lol

Okay, for the record (and I’m a big fan of Ronnie Coleman), he is 5’8" at most.

In one of the lastest muscle mags, there is a picture of him next to Lee Haney. The caption is about how similar they are in that they’re both black, religious, 8-time Olympia winners who stand 5"10".

However, Lee towered over Ronnie. Even given the fact that Coleman was barefoot, it was a good three or four inches.

To sum up: Ronnie Coleman is shorter than he says. He is, however, exactly as strong as he says. Which is immensely.

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ronnie beside 5ft 8 johny

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[quote]superscience wrote:
ronnie beside 5ft 8 johny [/quote]

How do you know Johnnie Jackson is exactly 5’8"? How do you know one of them isn’t wearing shoes while the other is barefoot?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Viking69 wrote:
Professor X wrote:

He didn’t bash Marius. The poster above talking about how bodybuilders are all show and no go IS bashing bodybuilders. You aren’t speaking out about this. Why? [/quote]

Why? Because I knew you would have it covered.

I also didn?t speak out about Mohammed being depicted in cartoons or the high price of gas… Why? Why?

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Its hard to compare Ronnie Coleman to any other human on the planet. Ronnie has the genetics to probably do whatever he wants. In the pic of him squatting he is using a squat suit and knee wraps, probably single ply suit and he does an easy 800lbs to parallel for two reps EASY I SAY. Not many bodybuilders train the way Ronnie does. To my understanding he quite often works up to 800 for doubles in the squat and deadlift. I think this is partly why he is the best bodybuilder on the planet, because he is also strong and trains heavy. If Ronnie wants to win the olympia he can, if he devoted himself to powerlifting he would be one of the best if not THE best super heavy out there. He’s is just a freak, nuff said.

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I’ve only participated in 1 PL competition in my life, but the one thing I found out real quick is that the only person I have to be better than out there is myself. Both of these men are elite in what they do. And I’ll be that either one of them, if asked would tell you that they could learn a lot from the other.

There is no pissing match needed. Only perspective.

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Yeah…but how much can these guys do on the leg extension machine at Bally’s fitness club? Ooooohhhhhh I shut everyone up!!

(…please don’t take me serious)

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
superscience wrote:
ronnie beside 5ft 8 johny

How do you know Johnnie Jackson is exactly 5’8"? How do you know one of them isn’t wearing shoes while the other is barefoot?[/quote]

if u look closely at the pic one of their trainers is on the floor lol why would they be wearin trainors with thongs. it says in johnies profile hes 5ft8. ill find a pic with him standing beside 6ftrs.

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[quote]superscience wrote:
Professor X wrote:
superscience wrote:
ronnie beside 5ft 8 johny

How do you know Johnnie Jackson is exactly 5’8"? How do you know one of them isn’t wearing shoes while the other is barefoot?

if u look closely at the pic one of their trainers is on the floor lol why would they be wearin trainors with thongs. it says in johnies profile hes 5ft8. ill find a pic with him standing beside 6ftrs. [/quote]

I could really care less how tall they are, but I don’t deny that it is possible for Ronnie to be a little shorter than claimed. I wouldn’t say 5’8" though.

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[quote]elevationgain wrote:
xomegaxprimex wrote:
Bodybuilders are strong because they lift weights, WSM competitors are strong because they lift weights, olympic eightlifters are strong because they lift weight, powerlifters are strong because they lift weights.

Wow, thank you for that…

I never knew[/quote]

Nahhh…It’s nothing :slight_smile:

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I’ll stir this up a bit… Powerlifters are strong as shit and they train for it, bodybuilders are strong as shit, and they either do or dont train directly for it… now, besides the powerlifter who is convicted in his sport and his goals i’m gonna go out on a limb and say that the people bashing bodybuiulders around here are envious of their composition/genietics or feel threatened by them. Meaning they dont have the discipline to work on their aesthetic dysfunctional bodies, they are fat, or lean, and are very envious spitefull of a hard training bodybuilder who trains in many different parameters to meet their goals.

So basically, after all that, again, who cares, i certainly dont.

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(YAWN) Are we through here?

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how can i close this thread lol i didn expect this.

i just wanted to say about that training vid and compare it to ronnie. because people say bodybuilders are weak.

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[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
(YAWN) Are we through here?[/quote]

Yeah, its as easy as not clicking on the thread.

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[quote]xomegaxprimex wrote:
Bodybuilders are strong because they lift weights, WSM competitors are strong because they lift weights, olympic eightlifters are strong because they lift weight, powerlifters are strong because they lift weights.[/quote]

Is that a theme :slight_smile:

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[quote]superscience wrote:
apwsearch wrote:
Well, superscience, I will state that 90% of “bodybuilders,” are all show and no go.

Most of them spend all their time fancy pantsing around the gym, yelling and screaming while they do their reps, and if and when they get up the balls to talk to you they tell you about the show, “they almost did,” or how they are getting in shape to, “come out of nowhere and fu(k some s#it up.” But they never do it. They are nothing but gym rats with an attitude they never earn.

On the converse, I cannot recall the last time I met someone who called themself a powerlifter or strongman who did not actually compete.

Obviously, the 10% of BB’s that actually compete, or even have a clue in regards to training and are not working on the “Weider Principals” are the exception.

To state that Pudz “only squatted 310 kilos with a belt and wraps” as if that proves anything tells me that you are within the 90th percentile.

Next.

im not a bodybuilder so im not in that 90%. i just started this thread to show that bodybuilders aint weak because even the trainers on here say there weak in their articles sometimes. i used ronnie and marius as an example both top of their sports and ronnie would equal him or pass him in the big three.

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I think this is a pretty disingenuous post. Posting about Ronnie and saying “See, BB are strong” is like someone posting a pic of Mariusz and saying “see, strongmen are lean” - tell that to virastuk, savickas and glenn ross. And saying that Ronnie would beat Mariusz makes no sense, none. You dont know whether Ronnies suit is single- (I would guess it is) or double-ply and trying to call depth on that squat from that angle is futile.

In addition, Ronnie’s deadlift (which was awesome, by the way) was done with straps. I’d give him the benefit of the doubt and say that if he chalked up, yeah, he could pull it, but you dont know that, you cant know it. And the bench press? I’ve never seen Mariusz bench, so for all I know he doesnt stop at his chest (although Im guessing he does) and on his videos ronnie doesnt lock his bench (although Im guessing he could.) But that’s my point all this is guess work and while they are both strong, awesome individuals at the top of their game (although not without controversy considering that WSM was diluted this year, and a lot fo people seem to think Ronnie is just being handed the olympia because of the distended belly, etc) but guessing at who would beat whom in a PL meet is like guessing who would beat who in tiddly-winks.

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I’m still trying go figure out why people are talking about bodybuilders on a “strength sports” forum.

That goes for the topic poster as well.

Attention bodybuilders: you are on the wrong forum!!!

Ha!

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Also, good post by KBC.

Everyone always points to Ronnie when defending the strength of bodybuilders. He is an exception. As are others that come to mind. The local bodybuilder you see at the gym that is 250 lbs. lean (and short) is in MOST cases not very strong. I’ve turned heads from some of these guys b/c they don’t understand how I can lift more than them.

Mariusz is in exception to strongman athletes. Most are not lean like him, so if you said strongman were fat and someone pointed to Mariusz, wouldn’t you say that he is an exception?

Same with heavyweight PLers.

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[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
I’m still trying go figure out why people are talking about bodybuilders on a “strength sports” forum.

That goes for the topic poster as well.

Attention bodybuilders: you are on the wrong forum!!!

Ha![/quote]

TSmotherfuckingB

please stoop this functional strength bullshit. “But, but, but my sport is better than yours!” SHUT THE HELL UP!!! Do you guys realize there are several (at least 5) threads where people are arguing about functional strength right now? Stop it. Seriously.

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Um, why are you yelling at me? You quoted me?

I’m not the one who started the topic.