I saw Charles at SWIS this year- beyond the fish oils for insulin sensetivity and visceral adipose storagee, I tried his stack of:
R-ALA 100MG w/ each of 3 meals
CLA 2caps (800 mg) w/ each of 3 meals
Over 6 weeks- all other things equal, it dropped me 1 1/2 - 2 belt notches . .
Funny enough, stress contributors like beer/ caffeine ( chemically) or lack of sleep/ overtraining (physical/ emotional) would bring back the gut extensioon a belt loop in two days . . bah !
So Waterbury's Total Body Training 3x/week as opposed to splits and too frequent training, 1 c of coffe in the morning, beer on the weekend only seems to have done much the trick .
Hope that helps